Theory - The highest clocked GPUs in a series tend to be the best value

[Tired9]

Well, it has just 4Gb of VRAM, quite a drawback, but not really if playing at 1080p resolution.

I'm not really making an argument in favour of the RX 6500 XT, just pointing out that 6nm appears to be quite a positive development if it allows improved clock rates on RDNA2 refreshes.

I mean it is possible that the 6nm process is fantastic for higher clocks.. but your original theory does not fit the 6500 XT, it's trash.
If you limit the card to reasonable usage it's a better product, but you have to limit it so that it don't fail at what other 4GB cards with a wide - bus can already do.

 

[g67575]

Actually the RX 580 (used) prices on websites like CEX are very high, it's not cheap at all. So, the RX 6500 XT at £225 is actually not a bad price comparatively, especially if playing on a 1080p monitor.

But the point is, 6nm cards might be surprisingly good.

 

[Tired9]

Actually the RX 580 prices on websites like CEX are very high, it's not cheap at all. So, the RX 6500 XT at £225 is actually not a bad price comparatively, especially if playing on a 1080p monitor.

But the point is, 6nm cards might be surprisingly good.

I did say once the market goes back to normal.

Do you remember pre-market prices?

I could grab a Radeon RX 470 for like 60 quid off Ebay back then, a Radeon 480 8GB was 100.

 

[Armageus]

So, I'm just talking about new cards available to buy now.

You can't invent a "theory" to suit such a small sample size.

The current generations are outliers based on the current supply situation. Cards like the Rx 6500 wouldn't even exist if supply wasn't constrained, let alone with the nuts clocked off them to try and achieve some level of performance.

Higher clock speed cards can be better value, but in most cases that's a byproduct of them being refresh products, e.g as yield improves prices come down and clock speeds go up

 

[g67575]

Actually, I agree that the Series S is very good value for money (old news tbh), especially compared to most currently available graphics cards. I'm specifically talking about new desktop graphics cards though.

In terms of it's performance though, it's very similar to the RX 6500 XT, which everyone seems to loves to hate.

The price of these cards is actually very good at around £200, currently:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...MI8ayLjdPM9QIVyYBQBh3NFgjHEAQYAiABEgKE2_D_BwE

It would be very weird if there was no 8GB version.

Presumably the miners aren't interested because it doesn't have 8GB VRAM

If it forces Nvidia to reduce the prices on the RTX 3050 (4GB version) that would be no bad thing.

 

[g67575]

To add to this, it looks like the RTX 3050 will have some of the highest clock rates in the series:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050-8-gb.c3858

1777 MHz boost clock.

I'd wager the RTX 3050 4GB version will have a similar cost per frame to the RX 6500 XT at £200.

Higher price, but higher frame rate.

 

[g67575]

So, it looks like there will be some RTX 3050s available at launch, sold at the MSRP price of £239.99, according to this article:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...s_will_available_at_msrp_in_the_uk_on_day_1/1

 

[g67575]

Another point to add, is that with current gen graphics cards, the more VRAM you get, generally the worse value the graphics card is, particularly beyond 8GB of VRAM.

So, I think the 2 thinks to look out for in terms of value for graphics cards, are a high GPU boost clock rate, and a moderate amount of VRAM. If you look at all the models with 10GB or over, everyone of them is expensive.

It would be pretty easy to recommend the RTX 3050, but the availability is still shocking. Hopefully, Intel will bring something new to the party, at competitive prices.

6nm desktop graphics cards from AMD seem pretty lacking so far, AMD is mostly using this new fabrication technology to reduce power consumption.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

more clock speed does not make gpu go brumm in this case.

 

[Harlequin]

Another point to add, is that with current gen graphics cards, the more VRAM you get, generally the worse value the graphics card is, particularly beyond 8GB of VRAM.

So, I think the 2 thinks to look out for in terms of value for graphics cards, are a high GPU boost clock rate, and a moderate amount of VRAM. If you look at all the models with 10GB or over, everyone of them is expensive.

It would be pretty easy to recommend the RTX 3050, but the availability is still shocking. Hopefully, Intel will bring something new to the party, at competitive prices.

6nm desktop graphics cards from AMD seem pretty lacking so far, AMD is mostly using this new fabrication technology to reduce power consumption.

from the 1 card on the market, which is a laptop part, you make this HUGE leap of assumption. Right.

 

[Grim5]

more clock speed does not make gpu go brumm in this case.

More RT cores make GPU go brrrrrr

 

[g67575]

@Harlequin - Don't know what you mean, the RTX 3050 is a desktop part (maybe mobile too?). Do you mean the 6nm APU graphics chips / Rembrandt?

There's also a 6nm card called the RX 6500 XT, that everyone loves

Read my 1st post.

All you gotta do is look at the cost per frame on websites like techpowerup. The only reason this doesn't seem correct, is that non reference models are so expensive, and many models like the RTX 3050 and RTX 3060 have no reference model version.

But, many people still buy a RTX 3070 FE with 8GB VRAM and a boost clock of 1725mhz, if they are available when the cards drop.

 

[g67575]

I'm wondering if RDNA 3 cards will be out be out a bit sooner now, maybe Q3 2022. These might utilize 5nm fabrication tech. That should give AMD plenty of firepower vs Intel's upcoming cards. All they've said so far, is that it will use an 'advanced node'.

The RX 6000 series seems quite low key so far, mostly aimed at low power graphics and APUs.

 

[g67575]

The cheapest RTX 3050 8GB cards are going for ~£400 on Ebay now. ~£430 on another website. I think in time we will see the price drop to £300, especially once Intel releases their graphics card series.

The card to get for 1080p is still the RTX 3060 TI FE, in terms of value.
https://tpucdn.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3050-gaming-x/images/red-dead-redemption-2-1920-1080.png

 

[Grim5]

I'm wondering if RDNA 3 cards will be out be out a bit sooner now, maybe Q3 2022. These might utilize 5nm fabrication tech. That should give AMD plenty of firepower vs Intel's upcoming cards. All they've said so far, is that it will use an 'advanced node'.

The RX 6000 series seems quite low key so far, mostly aimed at low power graphics and APUs.

Nein, more like RDNA3 delayed

leakers say amd is launching an rdna2 refresh in Q3 lol

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-pre...-for-june-july-rx-6500-non-xt-expected-in-may

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Hopefully both AMD and Nvidia will be delayed