Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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They have been lied to and told Ukrainian people would be welcoming them and they would be liberating them....
Is that good or bad for Ukraine, I heard something they were fighting alongside them earlier?
Yes, I have read some of his work and agree with much of it, but Russia is very much worse than the West. For a start it is not a free society and most live in abject poverty with no opportunity to improve their situation, they have no rights, free speech or liberty.
If Russia were the sole superpower things would be infinitely worse and they'd make America look like saints with what they would do. None of us would want to live under the Russian regime no matter the real problems in our own democracies; at least we are still living in a democracy.
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If we don't intervene in Ukraine then where does the west draw the line? We just stand back and let Putin take what he wants piecemeal?
There is nothing to gain from intervening militarily with Ukraine apart from dignity...
But what use is dignity , if the planet is destroyed by a 3rd world war?
50/50 apparently, some are fighting for the little dictator some are fighting for the Ukrainians.
Some are easily bought by Putin, some obviously hold massive grudges against them still.
We've made it pretty clear, over and over. Eastern NATO borders are where the line is drawn, Estonia down through to Turkey.
The line is picking on a nato member I would think.
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Yes Russia learned from yesterdays mistake and sent a huge force to take it
Obviously the most strategic objective for them of this war so far
Yeap, it's no surprise that all those countries who were "freed" by the collapse of the USSR almost all wanted to become as Pro-Western and/or NATO members ASAP to avoid the potential of returning to Russian control at a later date.
My worry is Putin will be preparing for the seemingly inevitable conflict with NATO. By then the costs will be much higher for us. We can't waver if NATO is attacked or we are really screwed.
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True, but then it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine Russia seriously thinking about lobbing a couple of arty shells into the complex and then blaming Ukraine for the resulting disaster.
Exactly, Putin's actions have further convinced me it was never about 'provocation' from further NATO expansion. NATO is actually keeping us safe and Putin in check. If those countries had not joined they would have been invaded ages ago.
Amazingly there are still Ukrainian aircraft flying combat operations it seems, not ideal to land planes there when there is potential for Ukranian Mi-24s to fly in and take shots at you:
My immediate thoughts when Chernobyl was taken was Collier (spelling) who features a few times in his videos.
It seemed quite obvious tbh... but you had people earlier in the thread essentially repeating Russian propaganda about this and claiming it was all about understanding both sides, instead of realising they're being played and this is more about Russia's sphere of influence/good old fashions imperial expansion and desire for satellite states that answer to Russia.
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Well, how very convenient for you that you don't do multiquotes.
Now you quote Chomsky at me, in lieu of a personal response.
Here's some quotes for you:
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
... first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Some or a lot of that maybe true but that’s up to them. Our brand of democracy hasn’t worked out well for those we’ve tried to force it upon.
Would I like to live in Russia? Not really anytime soon but I’m sure that’s true for our country too. Not many Russians seeking a home here is their?
Ultimately it’s about perspective. We are no haven or beacon of truth and all things pure. We have a complete moron as a prime minister as did America with Trump.
We use propaganda, we also engage in Cyber warfare, we have and do kill innocent civilians, we’ve occupied foreign land illegally and under false pretences.
Im all for condemning the actions of Putin but let’s do it from all encompassing lens. Not the narrow angle portrayed by our media/governance. Honestly if you listen to our media for even a few minutes,you can clearly here how the narrative is being shaped rather than reported.
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