Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Nelly · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:18

I know this probally sounds thick, but how will all these countries get all these fresh supplies and equipment in without being attacked by Russian forces?

ubersonic · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:19

MartinPrince said:
It is simply naïve and ignorant to say the entire Ukrainian population is against Russia. While ~17% of the population are ethic Russian, with more situated towards the east, the population of many major cities tends to be ~50%+ ethnic Russian.

Kyiv, a city with a population of ~3M, is ~54% ethnic Russian and while many will not support Putin - after all he is putting them all in danger and disrupting their steady way of life, some will ultimately prefer to be more in Russians orbit than Europe and the U.S.

Russians and Ukrainians are the same ethnicity, the term ethnic Russians is just something Putin has pulled out of his anus in the last decade to try and justify his drive towards war.

When people talk about "pro-Russian" Ukrainians it usually refers to Ukrainians who prefer the country forming links with Russia over forming links with the EU/west, maybe even some who would prefer to form a USSR style union with Russia. It doesn't refer to Ukrainians who want Russia to conquer/annex the country (granted there will be some, but a negligible amount).

Deleted member 77746 · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:19

kindai said:
Given how many batteries were fired, the end result was, underwhelming...

Go stand in the middle of that. Tell me it's underwhelming.

Deleted member 77746 · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:19

Nelly said:
I know this probally sounds thick, but how will all these countries get all these fresh supplies and equipment in without being attacked by Russian forces?

They go around and do drop off points.

Iraklis F.C. · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:20

ubersonic said:
Russians and Ukrainians are the same ethnicity, the term ethnic Russians is just something Putin has pulled out of his anus in the last decade to try and justify his drive towards war.

When people talk about "pro-Russian" Ukrainians it usually refers to Ukrainians who prefer the country forming links with Russia over forming links with the EU/west, maybe even some who would prefer to form a USSR style union with Russia. It doesn't refer to Ukrainians who want Russia to conquer/annex the country (granted there will be some, but a negligible amount).

SO, southern english are the same ethnicity with northern germans?

Jono8 · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:20

ubersonic said:
I agree 100% with what you say.

However what you say also applies equally to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and I'm ashamed to admit I supported that at the time, so while Russia are undoubtedly in the wrong it is quite easy to see how their people/military/etc can be led along by one corrupt/crazy/stupid/etc leader

Not sure it is entirely equal. Iraq was run by a horrible dictatorial regime and the population wanted Saddam gone.

Zelensky was elected democratically, and is supported by the people that live there (at least in the undisputed parts).

Rroff · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:21

Nelly said:
I know this probally sounds thick, but how will all these countries get all these fresh supplies and equipment in without being attacked by Russian forces?

Handover at Polish border - but Russia has taken to attacking Ukrainian convoys with Mi-24s (Hinds) so I hope they have a plan for that.

Iraklis F.C. · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:21

Jono8 said:
Zelensky was elected democratically, and is supported by the people that live there (at least in the undisputed parts).

putin thinks otherwise, hence the invasion.

dowie · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:22

Iraklis F.C. said:
SO, southern english are the same ethnicity with northern germans?

More like Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English... just linguistic/cultural differences. Most of the British Isles are descended from the same population, England has a bit more variation because of invasions by Angles and Saxons but they're still like majority the same as Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc.. invaders have changed language, culture etc..

dowie · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:23

Iraklis F.C. said:
putin thinks otherwise, hence the invasion.

I don't think he really does, it's just pure imperialism. He might have been able to moan about colour revolutions etc.. but post-democratic elections he has no argument there and he knows it really.

lookitsjonno · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:24

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497544729545920513

Here we go

C Kent · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:24

woppy101 said:
****, you talk some absolute ***** fella

You think I care what some anonymous forum dweller who cheered when a regime that is infinitely worse than russia bought his football club then you are very much mistaken.

dowie · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:25

Ukrainian holding out and this not being a cake walk for Russia has perhaps had an effect here, Hungary no longer opposed either:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497535683363233799

Iraklis F.C. · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:25

dowie said:
More like Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English... just linguistic/cultural differences. Most of the British Isles are descended from the same population, England has a bit more variation because of invasions by Angles and Saxons but they're still like majority the same as Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc.. invaders have changed language, culture etc..

https://images.app.goo.gl/4rKrcWBwsWpn7a3J9 there are saxons in northern germany and english saxons in souther england. Apparently a northern german doesnt feen english, at all. Same analogy with ukranians and russians

Steven Rimmington · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:25

I think all the news showing old blown up Russian equipment hastily and reckless advancements into the capital has showed me just how badly Russia has fallen. Just like what happens to a bully when he gets old, has no friends and just washed up.

Watching the UN last night and listening the Russian speaker, he was reverting to finding news stories on his phone to counter arguments?

What a mess they seem to have no clue, this is weak and makes Russia to me anyway look laughable.

Big bad Russia? Yea right.

dowie · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:27

Iraklis F.C. said:
https://images.app.goo.gl/4rKrcWBwsWpn7a3J9 there are saxons in northern germany and english saxons in souther england. Apparently a northern german doesnt feen english, at all. Same analogy with ukranians and russians

I don't think you understood what I posted, I'm well aware the Saxons invaded, I've literally acknowledged that they did in bold, below, so pointing to a map showing the same doesn't negate the point:

dowie said:
More like Irish, Welsh, Scottish and English... just linguistic/cultural differences. Most of the British Isles are descended from the same population, England has a bit more variation because of invasions by Angles and Saxons but they're still like majority the same as Welsh, Scottish, Irish etc.. invaders have changed language, culture etc..

ubersonic · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:27

Sankari said:
Everything that's wrong with the UNSC, in a single tweet:

I think the question has to be asked by the UN at this point if Russia's powers in this area can be removed, there must be provisions in the UN rulebook for it. Russia wouldn't be happy but Taiwan wasn't when the UN removed them and added China in their place but the UN did that anyway.

dowie · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:28

ubersonic said:
I think the question has to be asked by the UN at this point if Russia's powers in this area can be removed, there must be provisions in the UN rulebook for it. Russia wouldn't be happy but Taiwan wasn't when the UN removed them and added China in their place but the UN did that anyway.

Nah, the US does the same re: Israel so wouldn't likely want to give up this veto.

Robbo · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:29

I think whatever happens, Ukraine is lost, at least for now.

The only way to repel the Russians is to provide actual military support to Ukraine, and the West simply won't do it. They can't.

Sanctions, however severe, are not going to hurt Russia quickly enough to stop this.

NickK · 26 Feb 2022 at 12:29

Iraklis F.C. said:
i am not sure in war there are levels of kinds of death, perhaps its worse dying from a single bullet laying on a field rather than instantly evaporated from such a weapon. This a psych operation showing these marching on.

Thermobaric weapons are over pressure weapons. The shockwave ruptures bodily components - people hit may not die immediately but succumb later to internal bleeding or infections caused by internal injuries. With any luck you'd be in the over pressure zone that is immediately fatal however given a shockwave is inverse square law the further away from the area of detonation the more likely you'll be injured rather than killed. Overpressure shockwaves travel around corners and reflect off surfaces, so they're not something you can hide from easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_McNulty_(DDE-581)_sunk_as_target_with_FAE_1972.jpg