Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Yeah I feel this is what nato is balancing.
Trying to force a change of leadership by gradual sanctions ramping without going in so hard for putin to table flip.
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I think so also and it's good to see the world, at least the countries we'd expect, pulling together and working together. Maybe should have acted first in some cases and announced later, like seizing yachts etc, given those are now being moved to safe havens apparently.
Dream is that someone within Russia acts, the people rise up, but a large % of them will be controlled by media etc. No different than the West in that respect, look at how much support Trump had in the USA for example over the "stolen election" as just one example. So a large % will believe everything coming out of the Putin regime
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I’m getting off this thread, you lot are just panicking the life out of me with the doom mongering.
Every other post, “Things are not going to end well”.
Every other post, “Things are not going to end well”.
The alcohol shelf was pretty bare to the chagrin of quite a few!
When in Ukraine, I pretty much live on this.
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Some may believe things have gone too far but I'm still hopeful some kind of resolution can be met. Even if it means Crimea and the Donbass region gets swallowed into Russia.
Given the west reaction, if Ukraine survives this, they don't really "need" to join NATO. NATO countries doing all they can to help. Ukraine could give up NATO ambition, Crimea and the Donbass handed over peacefully and Ukraine given greater freedom to integrate into the EU. That's about the best outcome each side can get.
Is there any proof he hasn't deployed regulars? As far as I can tell people are just basing that off of anecdotal video clips with young looking, poorly equipped soldiers...but typically most soldiers will be in their early twenties, conscripted or not. It seems just as likely that the Russian military is simply in a poor state and that their 'new' kit isn't widespread/all that new. Their military budget is (depending on source) $50-90bn, which needs to support an enormous amount of ageing equipment and ~6000 nukes. Even if they are mostly conscripts I think it's probably more because they don't have much better to send in (or can't afford to lose those troops as they are relatively few in number) than a conscious choice to send in cannon fodder.
It's a very tense situation, and the doom-mongering in this case is reasonably justified when nuclear weapons are a real threat again.
NATO's redline is pretty clear. Putin could literally raze Kyiv to the ground and that is still not their redline. Might be a redline for the UN, but for NATO untill Putin sends boots into a NATO country or shoots a NATO drone down or interdicts a NATO convoy, they are highly unlikely to directly engage the Russian military forces
You have to understand the nuclear option is still extremely unlikely, and always will be. Even if things did go that way, there's a high chance the Russian Generals would refuse to action it.
Of course it's not impossible, and I have to say it feels a bit more likely than I thought it would, but you can't worry about it too much. And after all, there's nothing you can do.
Russia will inevitably end up breaking Ukraine down, regardless of how much equipment we give them, Russia can overpower them at any moment if they so wish.
Morels don’t really come into it though as we are hardly on sound morel standing ourselves. It’s about interests, financial, political and strategic. No one really cares about Ukraine or civilians it’s about how can we make the best of this situation.
Put is basically stuck attempting to bait a war to justify his actions. Each step is hitting something harder to gain a reaction like a spoilt child.
His staff know that regardless of Putin's rhetoric that using the nuclear button will endanger their families, the Russian population and the existence of the nation - essentially they know at that point there is a clear choice they will have to make. Duty is strong but duty two whom?
What do you mean? It was all true, it's ok to say "you won't get anywhere with that" the problem is people aren't getting anywhere with normal words either.
The problem in this case is boris has no soul and would probably ship his own kids off to save his skin.
Hmm European Parliment are saying that they are working with Ukraine in joining the EU.....
Not sure that's a good idea at the moment?
I didn't say it wasn't true, I said she's not thinking in making a No fly zone, which will end up with World War 3!
Not sure that's a good idea at the moment?
I didn't say it wasn't true, I said she's not thinking in making a No fly zone, which will end up with World War 3!
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