Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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It was first reported about an hour and half ago that warships have been spotted heading in the direction of Odesa, and there now appears to be an attack on Odesa airport starting based on local reports/footage. The TV tower in Lysychans'k also been attacked this hour.
 
Griff7520 said:
if it goes nuclear....we are all gone
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Even talking with my parents, they have never been to concerned over Nuclear threats but this one seems slightly concerning just due to the fact that Putin seems unhinged and they way the west is providing support to Ukraine he doesn't like it one bit.
 
I think everyone should get used to the idea that this is going to go nuclear and temper their reactions accordingly.

Thinking it won't is just burying your heads in the sand. I'd say it's almost inevitable barring a collapse of the Ukrainian's will to fight or the (un)timely death of Putin.

Otherwise it's likely to happen and the west will do nothing about it.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I'm getting "slightly annoyed" (for want of a better term) at the please close the air space thing some people keep going on about

From what I can see the Russian air force are doing very little.
I could see that this may change, but right now the logistics would be massive, I mean very very difficult to create and maintain air superiority over a country of that size with an actual border with the main combatant without actively deploying large amounts of assets directly within.

I wish the MSM would stop giving air time to people pleading for this as its IMO a distraction right now.
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+1

Seems that some people seem to think Boris is completely wrong not to be sending our fighter jets to take on the Russians and that journalist confronting him the other day had the right idea, but I really think that would be a terrible idea. A clear escalation on our part, I don't think we want to do that, and could possibly help with Putin's propaganda at home.

Sending supplies & economic sanctions while reinforcing deployments in NATO countries seems like the right course to me - it's a response that has gathered a broad consensus across the West, and will hurt the Russians deeply, without instigating UK on Russia fighting.

A no fly zone would likely result in some of our planes getting shot down, and we'd end up having to bomb all their SAM launchers etc, essentially bringing us fully into the war.

Also seems like Ukraine is getting quite good value out of their drone attacks, do we really want to stop them?
 
EddScott said:
I spent the weekend considering whether I should/would go to Ukraine. I was driving all day Sat and Sun so had plenty of time to mull things over.

Last week my friends in Kyiv got married, yesterday my friend posted a picture of one of the ladies that attended his wedding. Last week she is having fun, this week she's at the side of the road with a gun slung over her shoulder. The gun is pretty much as long as she is tall.

I have kids, soon to be a grandfather and have a business. Do I leave it all behind to fight someone else's war? Because of my commitments at home, am I using them as an excuse not to go? Do I wait until the fighting is on my doorstep before acting? (no, I'm not suggesting ww3, just contemplating at what point would I act?) Would I look at my family in distress, knowing I could have at least made a stand but decided to run?

With no training other than a few years in cadets 20 years ago, I'd most likely just get in the way and get myself or others killed.
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You're right. Definitely don't go then as you would unfortunately just yourself killed or others.
 
inogen said:
I think everyone should get used to the idea that this is going to go nuclear and temper their reactions accordingly.

Thinking it won't is just burying your heads in the sand. I'd say it's almost inevitable barring a collapse of the Ukrainian's will to fight or the (un)timely death of Putin.
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It seems that way with him now using thermobaric weapons, whilst they are not Nuclear i cannot see him backing down. The fact he's now bombing residential area's he has no care for Civilians.
 
inogen said:
I think everyone should get used to the idea that this is going to go nuclear and temper their reactions accordingly.

Thinking it won't is just burying your heads in the sand. I'd say it's almost inevitable barring a collapse of the Ukrainian's will to fight or the (un)timely death of Putin.

Otherwise it's likely to happen and the west will do nothing about it.
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I think it's much more likely we/the West are just going to let Ukraine fall to avoid direct intervention and avoid nuclear conflict. Awful pill to swallow, but the most sensible.
 
inogen said:
I think everyone should get used to the idea that this is going to go nuclear and temper their reactions accordingly.

Thinking it won't is just burying your heads in the sand. I'd say it's almost inevitable barring a collapse of the Ukrainian's will to fight or the (un)timely death of Putin.
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I'd say the chance of it going full nuclear is very very low, but I'd also agree claiming it won't is burying heads in the sand - I absolutely do believe that Putin has it in him to press the button but I don't think it is what he wants to do either - he hasn't gone bat **** crazy but his rationale is not following anything remotely like Western logic.

Despite some of the public messaging I've been watching stuff like what the US and UK have been doing where it can be see on Flight Radar/ADSB - what planes and missions they are running, etc. and they are plainly very concerned it is a real possibility.

EDIT: On that note it will be a very strange day if/when normal air traffic resumes over Ukraine on FR24.
 
Rroff said:
Personally I'm monitoring 25+ different sources of information of many different formats including audio - often it isn't easy to link to stuff on discussions, etc. some sources have a better history for reliability than others.

To put it in some perspective heh my browser history for the last couple of days alone is 10K items... so when people ask for sources of something I saw even an hour ago I often just think nope.
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If it's worth posting then perhaps just post it at the time, I don't think anyone necessarily needs sources on the mundane, but sometimes new stuff gets posted and a poster goes "I'm getting reports of" and it's a new claim and not even clear where it has come from... And if people don't even know where it came from and can't remember then that's an easy way to make basic factual errors, inadvertently spread misinformation etc...
 
squerble said:
I think it's much more likely we/the West are just going to let Ukraine fall to avoid direct intervention and avoid nuclear conflict. Awful pill to swallow, but the most sensible.
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Maybe. But given how western governments operate, a less bitter pill than decades of rhetoric being shown up for what it is would be a small mushroom cloud in a faraway place.
 
Anyone think Russia will try and take the Black Sea coast/Sea of Azov coast and sue for peace at this rate? I have to wonder what was their thought process? Split Ukraine down the middle using the Dnieper? Now that they are looking less likely to accomplish anything in the north/east, I wonder if they'll push into south/Odessa area and try and take more territory along the black sea / azov coast and call it a success.

They obviously were working under the impression they could just march in and take what they want from their 2014 experience.
 
Has there been any serious discussion yet about evacuating everyone who can be out of Ukraine?

I now think this false hope that's been given to the Ukrainians, boosted by western encouragement, arms shipments etc, is just going to make everything 10x worse when Russia do eventually steamroll in & shoot everyone on the basis that "the innocent would have already left by now; only army and fighters left"
 
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