Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Doobedoo said:
I’m not sure if your serious but I can see how defensive people are getting so I’ll leave it for now.
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Dude, ignore the play ground taunting.
We’re into Demonising the enemy phase. It’s all propaganda **** so some of these wallies are in full outrage mode. Tantrums expected.
 
MagicBoy said:
Textbook whataboutery. Still irrelevant. Putin's military is straight up murdering civilians with banned weapons, not taking them prisoner.
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So still fingers in ears. I can’t post anything about Ukraine it’s a complete whitewash. We only have one side being portrayed any everything is being shut down.
 
Doobedoo said:
So still fingers in ears. I can’t post anything about Ukraine it’s a complete whitewash. We only have one side being portrayed any everything is being shut down.
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That'd be great. It would free up a lot of peoples time for sensible discussion, and not laughing at your pathetic whataboutery.
 
dunker said:
unless there's a diplomatic solution. it's like USA vs Mexico. Mexico are so brave and they're
all dead :( maybe i'm just stupid, but if i can't win in a fight, i don't fight. balls imo is just macho
stupity.
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Well I think the problem with that comes about when you know or perhaps already experienced the oppression that awaits on the other side of that capitulation.
 
The political scientist John Mearsheimer has been one of the most famous critics of American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War. Perhaps best known for the book he wrote with Stephen Walt, “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” Mearsheimer is a proponent of great-power politics—a school of realist international relations that assumes that, in a self-interested attempt to preserve national security, states will preëmptively act in anticipation of adversaries. For years, Mearsheimer has argued that the U.S., in pushing to expand natoeastward and establishing friendly relations with Ukraine, has increased the likelihood of war between nuclear-armed powers and laid the groundwork for Vladimir Putin’s aggressive position toward Ukraine. Indeed, in 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea, Mearsheimer wrote that “the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for this crisis.”

I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the natoSummit in Bucharest, where afterward nato issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of nato. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand. Nevertheless, what has happened with the passage of time is that we have moved forward to include Ukraine in the West to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. Of course, this includes more than just natoexpansion. nato expansion is the heart of the strategy, but it includes E.U. expansion as well, and it includes turning Ukraine into a pro-American liberal democracy, and, from a Russian perspective, this is an existential threat.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-an...r-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine/amp
 
dunker said:
unless there's a diplomatic solution. it's like USA vs Mexico. Mexico are so brave and they're
all dead :( maybe i'm just stupid, but if i can't win in a fight, i don't fight. balls imo is just macho
stupity.
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Even Trump wasn't so stupid as to park 200,000 troops on the Mexican border for a lets pretend, then invade to de-Nazify Mexico by murdering innocent civilians. Nope, he built a few bits of wall that people armed with a simple ladder could circumvent, if they didn't fancy going to an open section ... and took the kickbacks from construction.
 
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