Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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dunker said:
why does'nt Russia just join NATO?

there's been a few times in the last twenty or so years where i can remember
him kinda flippantly? but also kinda serious? asking, "can Russia join NATO?"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule
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Join the organisation that was created to defend against you? Interesting. I'd like to think that maybe he was more reasonable back then but with everything he has done over the years he probably only wanted to join to try and break it apart from within.
 
Twinz said:
They would also be destroyed if the world sent their military into the Ukraine to fight the Russians. But we don't because Putin has is claiming not to care if he gets "destroyed". (He says he's willing to launch nukes)

We can't have it both ways. If we won't commit our own troops to help Ukraine because Putin is crazy and willing to end the world, then we can't pretend he will be deterred by....well...anything.

Likewise, if we boldly proclaim that he won't attack NATO because he is afraid of our military might, why aren't we using that might to help the Ukrainians?

Is Putin afraid of us or not?
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Ukraine isn't in nato. If one NATO country is attacked the we all fight it is the founding principal.
 
ubersonic said:
He never said that, some reporters asked him when he thinks Putin will stop and he told them he didn't Putin would be satisfied until he'd pushed NATO back to Berlin. That doesn't mean he believes Putin will or even could do it.
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It's he takes the Ukraine and manages to recover rebuild the might be he's next step
 
Puzzled said:
Join the organisation that was created to defend against you? Interesting. I'd like to think that maybe he was more reasonable back then but with everything he has done over the years he probably only wanted to join to try and break it apart from within.
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Exactly.
 
*EU Official: We Are Carefully Looking at Steps to Circumvent Sanctions.
*EU Official: The Existing Sanctions Are Not the End of the Road.
*EU Official: Efforts Will Be Taken to Reduce Russia’s Reliance on Foreign Energy
*EU Official: There Is No Discussion of Removing Anyone From the EU Sanctions List.

*US Official Says Hunting Down Putin’s Wealth
*US Deputy Treasury Sec. Adeyemo: Less Investment Will Be Made in Russia Over Time, and the Country’s Economy Will Contract.
*US Imposing New Sanctions Targeting Oligarchs and Their Families

*Biden Says We Continue to Impose Very Severe Economic Sanctions on Putin and People Around Him
*Biden: The Sanctions Imposed on Russia Have Had a Deep Impact.
*White House: The US Has Imposed Sanctions on Russian Oligarch Yevgeniy Prigozhin, His Companies, and His Family
https://twitter.com/x/status/1499460455970095109
https://twitter.com/x/status/1499460366610407433
- US has just imposed sanctions on Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov and oligarchs Nikolai Tokarev, Boris Rotenberg, Arkady Rotenberg, Sergei Chemezov, Igor Shuvalov, Yevgeniy Prigozhin and Alisher Usmanov, whose mega-yacht was seized by Germany.
 
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And to conclude my previous post the analyst said that just like the Peloponnesian war between Athens and Sparta had been inevitable because of Spartan anxiety of Athenian growth (expansion) of power, russia (sparta) attacked Athens via declaring war to a smaller city state. Athens may be a democracy and appear weak and corrupt, it is rich though and has powerful allies and most important it has awaken. They are doomed.
 
arknor said:
no one will deny anything about the Russian army anyway, people out right believe Ukraine has no nazi army unit and it's just putin gone mad.
obviously only a fool would believe that's his reason to invade, but it doesn't mean what he says about the nazis isn't true.
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The Azov battalion began as a volunteer group that fought alongside the Ukrainian Army against Russia backed insurgents and Russian mercenaries in the East. It was not founded or organised by the Ukrainian government and President Zelenskyy (who is Jewish and a native Russian speaker that wants to unify all groups in Ukraine) has been removing neo-Nazis from government posts.

If we were in a life-and-death struggle with Russia then I strongly suspect that our far right types would set up their own force to fight Russia too. In September 2014, the Azov battalion was expanded into a regiment and enrolled into the National Guard of Ukraine, simultaneously, the unit worked to de-politicize itself and its far right leadership stepped down.
 
Minusorange said:
Not sure moves this like are sensible the West are supposed to be bastions of freedom and speech, banning this just plays into the hypocritical narrative Putin and the Kremlin love to push about the West. Surely we should be able to make our own minds up what is propaganda and what is not ? Like banning racism, it doesn't actually address the issue, it just tries to hide it instead
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Lol as if the average brit can filter misinformation. :cry:

Look at the conspiracy loons and right whingers on here, most struggle.
 
Maple Leaf said:
The Azov battalion began as a volunteer group that fought alongside the Ukrainian Army against Russia backed insurgents and Russian mercenaries in the East. It was not founded or organised by the Ukrainian government and President Zelenskyy (who is Jewish and a native Russian speaker that wants to unify all groups in Ukraine) has been removing neo-Nazis from government posts.

If we were in a life-and-death struggle with Russia then I strongly suspect that our far right types would set up their own force to fight Russia too. In September 2014, the Azov battalion was expanded into a regiment and enrolled into the National Guard of Ukraine, simultaneously, the unit worked to de-politicize itself and its far right leadership stepped down.
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The guardian did breakdown of the top 10 war myths and this one is pretty clear on how much support the far right has in Ukraine.

5. “Nazism is rampant in Ukrainian politics and society, supported by authorities in Kyiv.” The candidate for the far-right nationalist party, Svoboda, won 1.6% of the vote in the 2019 presidential election
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/russia-ukraine-conflict-top-10-war-myths-newsguard
 
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