Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Ahleckz]

Read my posts perhaps?

I have. You claim they are targeting civilians to destroy military equipment. Where’s your evidence of that?
As there isn’t any, what other reasons do you have for them targeting civilians? You claim it’s not to demoralise them but I don’t understand what you think their reasons are.
Instead of being obtuse, why not answer the question?

 

[Nerusy]

The Russians have changed strategy because they are facing bad resistance, they have no intent of keeping Ukraine intact anymore, they are planning on flattening it.

That's actually a dangerous possibility. From what I saw they expect a far more welcoming Ukrainian civilian population yet we are seeing videos of Ukrainians gathering in large numbers to protest the occupation. Pretty horrible if the Russians are going for scorch earth tactic here.

 

[Firestar_3x]

I doubt it, it can be flattened with way less cost to there soldiers, vehicles then is happening now. And no not nukes.

They are finding it hard to move kit around, this is either due to conditions or bad maintenance, they do not have air superiority so can't really bomb from the air and they are reportedly quickly running out of rockets and cruise missiles.

That's actually a dangerous possibility. From what I saw they expect a far more welcoming Ukrainian civilian population yet we are seeing videos of Ukrainians gathering in large numbers to protest the occupation. Pretty horrible if the Russians are going for scorch earth tactic here.

The idea of keeping to population on side vanished probably after the end of day 1, Russia will be facing resistance forever in the country.

 

[Nerusy]

I have. You claim they are targeting civilians to destroy military equipment. Where’s your evidence of that?
As there isn’t any, what other reasons do you have for them targeting civilians? You claim it’s not to demoralise them but I don’t understand what you think their reasons are.
Instead of being obtuse, why not answer the question?

Read them again, it starts 3 pages back if you are on standard posts per page setting. You quite clearly have not read my posts.

Edit: my previous posts have answers to all your questions. As several other members essentially asked the same. In particular post #22017 should satisfy your curiosity.

 

[B&W]

They are finding it hard to move kit around, this is either due to conditions or bad maintenance, they do not have air superiority so can't really bomb from the air and they are reportedly quickly running out of rockets.

True on both accounts, I'm sure if they wanted to do truly go all in air superiority would be gained within a week. They have bombers that can't be hit with the manpads, they can throw loads of them out with dumb bombs and flatten the whole place. They can up the arty too.

 

[Ahleckz]

Read them again, it starts 3 pages back if you are on standard posts per page setting. You quite clearly have not read my posts.

Edit: my previous posts have answers to all your questions. As several other members essentially asked the same.

You haven’t posted any evidence to show that the Ukrainians are placing military equipment in civilian buildings. Your entire argument is that you don’t believe Russians would target civilians because it would turn the locals against the occupiers.

it’s a logical fallacy. The locals are already against the occupiers.
You’re also assuming putin is acting rationally.

So, after reviewing your posts, please provide evidence of Ukrainians hiding military equipment in civilian buildings and Russians solely taking out said equipment. Because that’s what you claim is happening.

or, carry on being obtuse and spreading misinformation. Two rubles to anyone who guesses what Neruski does next…

 

[kindai]

Two rubles to anyone who guesses what Neruski does next…

Doesnt provide evidence?

do I win?

 

[robfosters]

Wow, Zelensky has had a right meltdown tonight. Apparently all future deaths are our fault now for showing weakness.

 

[kindai]

Wow, Zelensky has had a right meltdown tonight. Apparently all future deaths are our fault now for showing weakness.

Hes still a politician, so turning the screws as hard as he can, who can blame him.

Also, he looks like he hasnt slept in a week.

 

[Throrik]

Wow, Zelensky has had a right meltdown tonight. Apparently all future deaths are our fault now for showing weakness.

From his point of view, he wants membership to the EU/Nato and wants to protect his people, I could understand him. From Nato's point of view, I can understand them too - a real difficult situation.

 

[steve45]

Hes still a politician, so turning the screws as hard as he can, who can blame him.

Also, he looks like he hasnt slept in a week.

Yeah I cant blame him. I mean to be fair, at this moment I'd be in favour of a more hands on approach of NATO, I'd like to call Putins bluff.

 

[arknor]

This video of a Sky News team being ambushed near Kiev is ******* scary. They all got out ok

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news...-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585

First shot, one of the people in the car thinks it wasn't a bullet "something blew up under us"
maybe because it's a warning shot that ricochets off the road from in front of the car then hits the underneath

second shot is so far in front of them it's obviously another warning or someones drunk.

a normal person might have reversed and got out of their not stuck around..

Rest of the shots admittedly don't seem like warnings since they are flying past the car door.

skynews claims 2 people got hit in their body armor one of them twice, but don't actually show it off weird?

I don't get why they think they can just wander around the front lines of a war zone collecting intel the enemy is obviously going to see in the first place.

get reported as "death squads targeting civilians" is there an agreement on that road that it;s an humanitarian corridor ? I'm guessing not


The Russians must be atleast a mile away they won't hear anyone shouting journalist and when they're wearing black body armor they probably look a lot like special forces

Trained shoulders who don't miss? yet seems they can't hit a barn door.

seemed as biased as the artillery strike video from day one where you never see or here anything but a skynews guy suddenly run towards a doorway.


I bet if it were Russian journalists driving around checking where all the Ukraine positions are then skynews would happily report them as spies.

Also, who actually cares if Russians invaders are being photographed?

exactly, who cared when America was bombing civilian areas? who cared when America bombed a civilian air raid shelter killing a bunch of civilians? who cared when they were using WP isn't that meant to be banned? oh yea they only used it because they ran out of flares or something.

no one cares if the west commit war crimes but then expect the enemy who does the same to be punished.

oh sorry crimes in the past don;t count so we can't talk about them.

anyone remember the Iraq videos of british soldiers taking kids into a courtyard and giving them a good beating? ahh yes doesn't matter because we're all racist and they were just raghead arabs who's lives don't matter.

When America used cluster bombs ahh yea it was an accident right, lets give them the benefit of the doubt.

we are meant to be better than double standards but we seem just as bad as Russia if not worse.

anyone who thinks our mainstream media aren't just as bad as RT are living in a dream world.

but we have to have the echo chamber and it's not patriotic to question things, that just makes people a russian bot.

Maybe putin should claim there's WMDs in Ukraine that's always another good reason to invade someone, if he doesn't find any it doesn't matter, we never did either, yet we were told there was solid evidence

 

[robfosters]

Yeah I cant blame him. I mean to be fair, at this moment I'd be in favour of a more hands on approach of NATO, I'd like to call Putins bluff.

I wouldn’t, the blokes dangerously unhinged

 

[physichull]

Wow, Zelensky has had a right meltdown tonight. Apparently all future deaths are our fault now for showing weakness.

That being said, his logic isn't entirely without merit and I massively sympathise with his position. If we were in his place we would do the same. Its just a massive shame that we can't/won't help him more.

 

[ubersonic]

They are finding it hard to move kit around, this is either due to conditions or bad maintenance

It's both.

I saw a good video the other day of an army mechanic explaining why we keep seeing abandoned Pantsir systems. Basically you have to move trucks periodically or the tyres will develop an incorrect shape, on all terrain vehicles like this you also have to exercise the system that inflates/deflates the tyres according to terrain otherwise the sidewalls lose their elasticity. If you don't do this and just leave them to sit then when you need to go off-road the vehicle will lower the pressure in it's tyres and the tyres will fail.

Obviously if they aren't maintaining a £10,000,000 truck properly they aren't maintaining any other vehicle properly, this is why they're essentially limited to roads and so getting slowed down by road blocks and sabotaged bridges.

True on both accounts, I'm sure if they wanted to do truly go all in air superiority would be gained within a week. They have bombers that can't be hit with the manpads, they can throw loads of them out with dumb bombs and flatten the whole place. They can up the arty too.

The likes of Tu-95, Tu-22M and Tu-160 bombers would be immune to MANPADs if operating from altitude but would still be total cannon fodder to the hundreds of proper SAM systems still in operation. They don't even have enough bombers in service to spam the SAMs down in suicide runs, not that I think Putin is quite that crazy.

 

[Nerusy]

You haven’t posted any evidence to show that the Ukrainians are placing military equipment in civilian buildings. Your entire argument is that you don’t believe Russians would target civilians because it would turn the locals against the occupiers.

it’s a logical fallacy. The locals are already against the occupiers.
You’re also assuming putin is acting rationally.

So, after reviewing your posts, please provide evidence of Ukrainians hiding military equipment in civilian buildings and Russians solely taking out said equipment. Because that’s what you claim is happening.

or, carry on being obtuse and spreading misinformation. Two rubles to anyone who guesses what Neruski does next…

Ironic because you are the one being obtuse here.

Never did I claim I have proof or evidence that Ukrainians have military equipment in civilian buildings. I saw a video of Ukrainian military deployment between two residential tower blocks but not military stuff in residential blocks. I've seen ukrainian solders in schools but schools are not being used and as I understand are often used by the military in conflict zones.

What you are doing is called a strawman. You claim that I made some statements that needs evidence whereas my only claim was that I doubt Russian forces intent to target civilians. Read that sentence over and over again until you understand what it means. I even said that it may be a possibility, maybe Russian forces do target civilians but I personally doubt it.

The ad hominem at the end in a way does show that you are not out there to have an honest discussion.

 

[bainbridge]

A couple of days ago a BBC reporter was interviewing refugees flooding into Poland, and asked a young woman the following: "How frightened were you when you heard the missile strikes?" Answer: "Very frightened". That's journalistic gold, right there.

 

[B&W]

Pretty sick of the cancel culture with regards to Russia in all this and of the media reaction, when war crimes were committed by the west where were they then.

Of course it should be expected though, one only looks after its own.

 

[steve45]

I wouldn’t, the blokes dangerously unhinged

I'm not so sure. I think thats the image that he wants to present to the world.

Also I find it interesting that Putin has realised what gets most western attention most, its moves on Nuclear infrastructure... Hence recent actions and he's moving forces on another as we speak.

 

[Ahleckz]

Ironic because you are the one being obtuse here.

Never did I claim I have proof or evidence that Ukrainians have military equipment in civilian buildings. I saw a video of Ukrainian military deployment between two residential tower blocks but not military stuff in residential blocks. I've seen ukrainian solders in schools but schools are not being used and as I understand are often used by the military in conflict zones.

What you are doing is called a strawman. You claim that I maid some statements that needs evidence whereas my only claim was that I doubt Russian forces intent to target civilians. Read that sentence over and over again until you understand what it means. I even said that it may be a possibility, maybe Russian forces do target civilians but I personally doubt it.

The ad hominem at the end in a way does show that you are not out there to have an honest discussion.

You made the claim that Russians weren’t targeting civilians. I’ve asked you to back that up. You can’t. There is ample evidence to show that they are. You, for reasons you refuse to explain, still claim that they aren’t.
I’m unsure of your intentions here and it’s clear you aren’t willing to back up your, frankly absurd, claims with anything.
So, I’ll bow out and as soon as I can get my hands on some I’ll send @kindai his winnings.