Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Unisol Magic said:
…… I’m starting to feel really pessimistic about this now and if I’m honest getting quite anxious and putting thought into how quickly we could escape the city at short notice
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What will be happening in the city? They are talking about responding with similar sanctions. Being inside or outside of a city is not going to make any difference.

We order 500 litres of oil at a time for heating and usually pay £250. It's now over £600 with as 2 - 3 week wait. These are the sort of things that will trickle down to us plebs.
 
steve_c said:
What will be happening in the city? They are talking about responding with similar sanctions. Being inside or outside of a city is not going to make any difference.

We order 500 litres of oil at a time for heating and usually pay £250. It's now over £600 with as 2 - 3 week wait. These are the sort of things that will trickle down to us plebs.
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It’s more the veiled threats and general tone of the Russians leaders comments and taking into account most of what we hear and discuss, I just have a very strong gut feeling that it could eventually go nuclear. Yeah I’m probably way overthinking and hope I am but no harm in considering it ‘could’ happen and preparing ourselves for such at outcome.

However, for now, let’s focus on the poor Ukrainians
 
dLockers said:
There is a literal video of gantry ways connecting reactors showing signs of mortar damage
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as said, and repeated - where is that - if you read nytimes report
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/science/ukraine-nuclear-power-plant.html

details are sparse - you might, expect them to hand over reactor - rather than risk lives of critical personnel, or, fire, in it's vicinity.
Mr. Kotin said a Russian shell hit the No. 1 reactor, but its thick walls gave it the strength to survive the blow.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Read my post above, they fall foul of the law…Free Speech is not boundless, it's not "FREE", there are limits, this is not the US.

People make assumption that it is because they watch too much American television, if you start a hate speech or smear campaign against someone, you will get prosecuted or sued for defamation. Free speech has boundaries.

Try starting a website tomorrow spreading lies about a MP having a paedophile trafficking ring and see how long before you will get arrested and sued for defamation, and see if you can try "free speech" and get out of that.

You won't. Hence why sometimes papers lose court cases and have to pay damages. You can't spread lies in this country and call it free speech, it doesn't work that way, and rightly so. We never had the American version of Free Speech here, I have no idea where people got that idea from?
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Yes I agree we never had true free speech here. But i
garnett said:
You seem to be confusing a real thing - "freedom of speech" - with some made-up rights such as "freedom to have my view broadcast far and wide".

Anyone is free to stand on a street corner and say what was being said on RT. They just can't now have that nonsense amplified and broadcast nationally.
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Not really, the RT news channel did nothing different to that of BBC/SKY during the Iraq war, it would be naive to think our media is 100 percent truthful and uninfluenced. The cold fact remains, The USA would not allow nukes in Mexico or Canada, NATO unintentionally poked the sleeping bear, and god help us if this goes nuclear. It's one propaganda vs another tbh.
 
faceman123 said:
Not really, the RT news channel did nothing different to that of BBC/SKY during the Iraq war, it would be naive to think our media is 100 percent truthful and uninfluenced. The cold fact remains, The USA would not allow nukes in Mexico or Canada, NATO unintentionally poked the sleeping bear, and god help us if this goes nuclear. It's one propaganda vs another tbh.
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I would argue it was not `unintentional` in the part of the USA - colonial expansion in Europe *carrot and stick* approach. This event will see the EU expand and likely the UK will be the only 1 left not in the EU, and will be the catalyst for the non aligned countries joining NATO.
 
Entai said:
And how many lessons were learnt AFTER the Titanic.

Chernobyl was the Nuclear industries Titanic.

Newer reactors are nothing like older ones.
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Ironically the Titanic was an incredibly well built ship for its day - even now - and was sank by an event that hadn’t happened prior nor since to an ocean liner (i.e. sideswiping an iceberg) many lessons were learned from its sinking. It’s 3rd Sister ship Britannic had a vastly improved design that could easily withstand the damage that sank her sister but unfortunately that ship hit a mine in the Agean sea and sank in minutes.

The point being, civilian design can be as good as you like, as soon as military grade explosives are put in the equation things go awry very quickly….


Reactors are indeed far safer than the Chernobyl design BUT they are not designed to withstand armour piercing / high explosive shells being fired in their general direction which is another event that hadn’t happened before until yesterday.

Just the fact shells were fired toward an operating nuclear power station boggles the mind, we were lucky this time, there’s many more reactors in Ukrainian, and an invading force quite happy it seems to shoot at them…..
 
Coping by saying the reactor is designed to take an impact from a plane is irrelevant when we are talking about a sustained attack from explosives as well. Entei needs to post a picture of himself with a loaf on his head to prove not a bot.
 
bingham67 said:
Amazing how quick it got hit, does the heli not have missile warning systems and I take it no ejection on these helis?
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Looks like a hind, so no to the seats, not sure how advanced their detection systems are, but it was pretty close to the launcher, zero time to react.
 
jpaul said:
as said, and repeated - where is that - if you read nytimes report
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/science/ukraine-nuclear-power-plant.html

details are sparse - you might, expect them to hand over reactor - rather than risk lives of critical personnel, or, fire, in it's vicinity.
Mr. Kotin said a Russian shell hit the No. 1 reactor, but its thick walls gave it the strength to survive the blow.
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Interesting, though I guess normal in war, none of the live footage or local reports on the night showed or where aware of damage outside the training and museum areas and supposedly the tanks were held back.
 
Scania said:
Ironically the Titanic was an incredibly well built ship for its day - even now - and was sank by an event that hadn’t happened prior nor since to an ocean liner (i.e. sideswiping an iceberg) many lessons were learned from its sinking. It’s 3rd Sister ship Britannic had a vastly improved design that could easily withstand the damage that sank her sister but unfortunately that ship hit a mine in the Agean sea and sank in minutes.

The point being, civilian design can be as good as you like, as soon as military grade explosives are put in the equation things go awry very quickly….


Reactors are indeed far safer than the Chernobyl design BUT they are not designed to withstand armour piercing / high explosive shells being fired in their general direction which is another event that hadn’t happened before until yesterday.

Just the fact shells were fired toward an operating nuclear power station boggles the mind, we were lucky this time, there’s many more reactors in Ukrainian, and an invading force quite happy it seems to shoot at them…..
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No reactor designed as proof against aircraft collision has yet been hit by an aircraft. In theory it may be but it is impossible to prove without data. Similarly with other explosive collision events.
 
alchal said:
Looks like a hind, so no to the seats, not sure how advanced their detection systems are, but it was pretty close to the launcher, zero time to react.
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The video shows flares going off before the hit - might be a newer manpad not distracted by them
 
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