Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Dis86 said:
Well there's clearly an issue as we're having to house asylum seekers in hotels and private accommodation. Additionally the centres are in apparently awful states, not fit for human habitation.. At least according to The Guardian.
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No idea on others, but tour round the one here, looked ok to me.

Not the Ritz granted, not even a decent Travellodge, but definitely clean and maintained.

Have been to B&B's in UK looking worse.
 
Entai said:
No idea on others, but tour round the one here, looked ok to me.

Not the Ritz granted, not even a decent Travellodge, but definitely clean and maintained.
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As a country we're paying 1.5 million per day to house asylum seekers in hotels and privately owned accommodation. That shows we have a significant problem.
 
Mr Jack said:
Not sure whether this has been posted already, but someone has done a good quality translation of that leaked FSB letter (some question over whether it is real or not, but it seems to be taken seriously by people I would think are credible), and it's well worth a read:


I'm increasingly convinced that not only can Russia not win this war but that it has already lost. Putin's goals are unachievable, the military costs mounting rapidly, and the economy in ruins. The question isn't whether Russia wins, it's how much of Ukraine it devastates before admitting defeat.
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Short of the Ukranians allowing a ceasefire to let the Russians withdraw, I just don't know how they are going to extricate themselves. If they stay, this could drag on for years.
 
Dis86 said:
As a country we're paying 1.5 million per day to house asylum seekers in hotels and privately owned accommodation. That shows we have a significant problem.
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Possibly, not close enough to know all the in's and out's of it.

Maybe, possibly, paperwork is being dragged out for whatever reason?

Maybe a lot could be flown out tomorrow if paperwork was sorted faster?

I don't know Just a thought

Civil service in general, in my experience, is not the swiftest of processs.
 
Mr Jack said:
I'm increasingly convinced that not only can Russia not win this war but that it has already lost. Putin's goals are unachievable, the military costs mounting rapidly, and the economy in ruins. The question isn't whether Russia wins, it's how much of Ukraine it devastates before admitting defeat.
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Agreed, there seems to be nothing Putin can gain at this point. If he can't take Kyiv, I'm convinced he will simply cause as much damage as possible out of spite.
 
Entai said:
Possibly, not close enough to know all the in's and out's of it.

Maybe, possibly, paperwork is being dragged out for whatever reason?

Maybe a lot could be flown out tomorrow if paperwork was sorted faster?

I don't know Just a thought

Civil service in general, in my experience, is not the swiftest of processs.
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If paperwork was being dragged out why wouldn't we house them in your half-full centre? Dedicated residences should be the first port of call.
 
Sankari said:
Agreed, there seems to be nothing Putin can gain at this point. If he can't take Kyiv, I'm convinced he will simply cause as much damage as possible out of spite.
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I think his goal now will be just to take Zelensky out and hope that makes the Ukranians fold.
 
Uther said:
Short of the Ukranians allowing a ceasefire to let the Russians withdraw, I just don't know how they are going to extricate themselves. If they stay, this could drag on for years.
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I think there's little doubt that Ukraine would accept a peace dealt that allowed Russian soldiers and equipment to peacefully withdraw. I think it's also likely that granting Crimea to Russia and possibly some parts of Eastern Ukraine will ultimately be accepted. The parallels to the Winter War with Finland are strong.
 
Dis86 said:
It is unbelievable that you don't have the intelligence to come up with the answer for yourself...
Where's the evidence she's aiming to be with her close family? There is already a process in place for this and she's been rejected so clearly that isn't the case. She is in a safe country. Most French speak very good English.
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So ignore my question then and retort with a moronic statement.
The UK has so far taken in 10 and denied 150 Ukrainians at the border according to the French. The process is clearly not working and it’s embarrassing.
I’m sure it’ll be sorted but you defending it is equally embarrassing. You’d clearly have none of them here.
 
Entai said:
Possibly, not close enough to know all the in's and out's of it.

Maybe, possibly, paperwork is being dragged out for whatever reason?

Maybe a lot could be flown out tomorrow if paperwork was sorted faster?

I don't know Just a thought

Civil service in general, in my experience, is not the swiftest of processs.
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It isnt 1.5 million at all. He's got a figure and decided to inflate it to suit his argument.
 
Mr Jack said:
I think there's little doubt that Ukraine would accept a peace dealt that allowed Russian soldiers and equipment to peacefully withdraw. I think it's also likely that granting Crimea to Russia and possibly some parts of Eastern Ukraine will ultimately be accepted. The parallels to the Winter War with Finland are strong.
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Crimea maybe, I’m not sure ceding land in the east will be acceptable now. That will taste too much like a defeat if the Russians are allowed to back out and take land.
 
dowie said:
London is a large financial centre... as for the Tories and their donors, that's perhaps for an SC containment thread, it's not particularly interesting or relevant here.
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Its completely relevant to this thread dowie considering how this is not only about the war but about Russia, its oligarchs, their money and the international action regarding that money and men. You've posted on how we are doing so much in regards to this and you don't get to say what is relevant to a thread when the facts don't match your narrative.

And I notice you swerved the fact our government did nothing for Ukraine before a month ago, when you were trying to sell we were taking our revenge for Russian attacks on our soil, attacks that happened in 2006, 2012 and 2018. You really are reaching and just looking like an apologist for this governments sucking up to Russian money for the last 12 years. As for London being a financial centre, they make the laws in this country and could have stopped this at any time, its been widely published London was being used to launder Russian money and they chose not to do anything about it. Why?
 
Mr Jack said:
Not sure whether this has been posted already, but someone has done a good quality translation of that leaked FSB letter (some question over whether it is real or not, but it seems to be taken seriously by people I would think are credible), and it's well worth a read:


I'm increasingly convinced that not only can Russia not win this war but that it has already lost. Putin's goals are unachievable, the military costs mounting rapidly, and the economy in ruins. The question isn't whether Russia wins, it's how much of Ukraine it devastates before admitting defeat.
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This is the same rhetoric that's been heard since pretty much the 2nd day of the war and yet Russia keep making inroads
 
Washout said:
So ignore my question then and retort with a moronic statement.
The UK has so far taken in 10 and denied 150 Ukrainians at the border according to the French. The process is clearly not working and it’s embarrassing.
I’m sure it’ll be sorted but you defending it is equally embarrassing. You’d clearly have none of them here.
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Or the process is working as intended and these people don't meet the criteria for entry?
 
How many Russian owned apartments, mansions and hotels in London?

Their owners have the choice of housing Ukrainian refugees for free or they are seized by HMG and given to Shelter for the same purpose.
 
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