Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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LCG-xyz said:
I'm no fan of Putin, shouldn't he be gone by now anyway? The message being fed to us is SO one-sided with some blatant untruths I'm thinking there's got to be more to it so I'm trying to contextualise things. I haven't found 'the answer' yet. The whole thing smells fishy to me so I'm digging around and trying to (hopefully) get some other people asking questions too, that's all.
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Enkore, is that you? Bzzzt, clck. You’re giving yourself away with the, “I’m no fan of Putin, I’m just looking for the truth” routine while posting nothing but Russian propaganda.
Zero guile in your attempts at subtlety.
 
Washout said:
Enkore, is that you? Bzzzt, clck. You’re giving yourself away with the, “I’m no fan of Putin, I’m just looking for the truth” routine while posting nothing but Russian propaganda.
Zero guile in your attempts at subtlety.
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Lol, now I'm being accused of being someone else.

I'm not pro Russia, I'm pro truth and tbh pretty anti mainstream media at the moment.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Btw, given the outrage and new rules are we also going to war with China because of the Uyghur genocide? Or would that harm 'trade relations'?
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I'm confused, have China declared war on a sovereign nation? One that is in our Home continent?

Or you suddenly comparing two completely different things.

LCG-xyz said:
Lol, now I'm being accused of being someone else.

I'm not pro Russia, I'm pro truth and tbh pretty anti mainstream media at the moment.
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Basically you are pro (restricted) russian media then. As everyone else calling what is happening exactly as they see it. The media is completely united.
 
People are searching for a reason to not like the president of a country that has done nothing wrong to be invaded by a bullying bigger country. Right now... who f'ing cares about his connections. NEWSFLASH... much of ex-soviet russia is corrupt to some degree. Let me tell you many of my wife's stories having worked there for years in the Ukraine. Corruption is easy in places where pay with pitiful. You think the west has a problem with the rich ruling class? By god, take a look at Russia where they all claim to be servants and the same, but have enormous illegally acquired wealth at the top from the fall of Russia.
 
muon said:
I'm confused, have China declared war on a sovereign nation? One that is in our Home continent?

Or you suddenly comparing two completely different things.



Basically you are pro russian media then. As everyone else calling what is happening exactly as they see it.
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Honestly it seems strange to me that if you question the 'official narrative' then you must be 'X', in this case pro-russian.

Do people blindly trust the media that much? Should they? Have they ever been proven to lie in the past? Are they trustworthy?
 
LCG-xyz said:
Honestly it seems strange to me that if you question the 'official narrative' then you must be 'X', in this case pro-russian.

Do people blindly trust the media that much? Should they? Have they ever been proven to lie in the past? Are they trustworthy?
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It doesn't make you pro-Russian. It just makes you perfectly aligned to Russia. The country that is restricting it's own media and invading another country whilst killing thousands.

But its all Zelensky's fault. Let's all focus on how he might have dodged taxes in the past. That's the priority right now.

What are they lying about right now? The war is a fiction?
 
muon said:
It doesn't make you pro-Russian. It just makes you perfectly aligned to Russia. The country that is restricting it's own media and invading another country whilst killing thousands.

But its all Zelensky's fault. Let's all focus on how he might have dodged taxes in the past. That's the priority right now.
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Nah, I'm pretty anti-Russia too, obviously not the people, I support the citizens of all nations. All I'm saying is don't accept what's on the spoon, Zelly is no angel despite being portrayed as the latest, hottest celebrity in town. This all goes a lot deeper than it appears on the surface, it's not black and white.

Other things I'm trying to verify is whether US biolabs are a factor, there documentation from China and Russia asking the UN to looking into it. I've seen the discord in Ukraine where a lot of people want to remain Russian, Russia never stopped seeing the Ukraine as part of it's territory, much like China and Taiwan.

All theses things are complicated, too complicated for most people to even look into. Most people just skim the headlines and form an opinion.

I don't claim to have the answers but I'm trying make things less black and white at least.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Nah, I'm pretty anti-Russia too, obviously not the people, I support the citizens of all nations. All I'm saying is don't accept what's on the spoon, Zelly is no angel despite being portrayed as the latest, hottest celebrity in town. This all goes a lot deeper than it appears on the surface, it's not black and white.

Other things I'm trying to verify is whether US biolabs are a factor, there documentation from China and Russia asking the UN to looking into it. I've seen the discord in Ukraine where a lot of people want to remain Russian, Russia never stopped seeing the Ukraine as part of it's territory, much like China and Taiwan.

All theses things are complicated, too complicated for most people to even look into. Most people just skim the headlines and form an opinion.

I don't claim to have the answers but I'm trying make things less black and white at least.
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Oh dear lord. Well, you can’t argue with stupid.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Nah, I'm pretty anti-Russia too, obviously not the people, I support the citizens of all nations. All I'm saying is don't accept what's on the spoon, Zelly is no angel despite being portrayed as the latest, hottest celebrity in town. This all goes a lot deeper than it appears on the surface, it's not black and white.

Other things I'm trying to verify is whether US biolabs are a factor, there documentation from China and Russia asking the UN to looking into it. I've seen the discord in Ukraine where a lot of people want to remain Russian, Russia never stopped seeing the Ukraine as part of it's territory, much like China and Taiwan.

All theses things are complicated, too complicated for most people to even look into. Most people just skim the headlines and form an opinion.

I don't claim to have the answers but I'm trying make things less black and white at least.
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Lol. Oh don't forget about the dirty bombs that they were making as well. The US sent them plutonium. Russia said so.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/02/ukraine-biolabs-conspiracy-theory-qanon/

Apparently it is Anthony Fauci who is creating these new bio weapons.
 
LCG-xyz said:
Nah, I'm pretty anti-Russia too, obviously not the people, I support the citizens of all nations. All I'm saying is don't accept what's on the spoon, Zelly is no angel despite being portrayed as the latest, hottest celebrity in town. This all goes a lot deeper than it appears on the surface, it's not black and white.

Other things I'm trying to verify is whether US biolabs are a factor, there documentation from China and Russia asking the UN to looking into it. I've seen the discord in Ukraine where a lot of people want to remain Russian, Russia never stopped seeing the Ukraine as part of it's territory, much like China and Taiwan.

All theses things are complicated, too complicated for most people to even look into. Most people just skim the headlines and form an opinion.

I don't claim to have the answers but I'm trying make things less black and white at least.
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You're right to question it.

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/ukraine0716web_2.pdf

The Azov and Aidar battalions in particular seem to have gone under the radar
 
muon said:
Lol. Oh don't forget about the dirty bombs that they were making as well. The US sent them plutonium. Russia said so.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/02/ukraine-biolabs-conspiracy-theory-qanon/

Apparently it is Anthony Fauci who is creating these new bio weapons.
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"In a joint statement, the Chinese and Russian foreign ministers called for the abilities of the United States and its allies to be checked and limited, arguing that “in light of rapid advances in the field of science and technology with dual-use capabilities, the risk of biological agents being used as weapons has increased”.


“In this context [China and Russia] would like to call for attention that the United States’ and its allies’ overseas military biological activities (over 200 US biological laboratories are deployed outside its national territory, which function in an opaque and non-transparent manner) cause serious concerns and questions among the international community over its compliance with the BWC,” the joint statement said.

“The two sides share the view that such activities pose serious risks for the national security of [Russia and China], and are detrimental to the security of relevant regions.”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...un-check-biological-warfare-capability-us-and

Like I said, just trying to verify things and see what sticks.
 
Yea i mean China was accused of developing Covid in a lab and Russia went on a rampage and poisoned multiple people abroad with something developed in a lab, i wonder why they are both trying to do this, hmm head scratch.....
 
LCG-xyz said:
"In a joint statement, the Chinese and Russian foreign ministers called for the abilities of the United States and its allies to be checked and limited, arguing that “in light of rapid advances in the field of science and technology with dual-use capabilities, the risk of biological agents being used as weapons has increased”.


“In this context [China and Russia] would like to call for attention that the United States’ and its allies’ overseas military biological activities (over 200 US biological laboratories are deployed outside its national territory, which function in an opaque and non-transparent manner) cause serious concerns and questions among the international community over its compliance with the BWC,” the joint statement said.

“The two sides share the view that such activities pose serious risks for the national security of [Russia and China], and are detrimental to the security of relevant regions.”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...un-check-biological-warfare-capability-us-and

Like I said, just trying to verify things and see what sticks.
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Where does it mention Ukraine. Also why do you think China might be deflecting on biological research?

Or you love lapping up Russian/Chinese propaganda?
 
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