Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Is Putin literally a one man band, is he soley the person that's causing all of this or are there plenty of Putin clones in Russia. It does seem many Russians don't want the war and if Putin was removed in which ever fashion would this whole conflict come to an end?

He has surrounded himself with like-minded people and/or they have too much power/status/wealth to lose or even possibly their lives to go against him. Some of those closest to him and/or older generation have very similar perspectives and come up through the same system.

Population wise I'd say it is very complicated and many support Putin, don't support the war but at the same time don't not support the war - in a more passive way go along with it because that is the path the Russian government has chosen - for want of a better way to put it this is fairly common position with the kind of middle class Russians https://youtu.be/f2d7kJPimyE?t=1717

A huge segment of the Russian population are kind of lukewarm on Putin, more concerned about domestic issues and have possibly an all time low appetite for war (but don't expect to see them pushing back against Putin).
 
The vast majority of Russians support Putin, and support this war.

There is also a vast majority who do not and have been out protesting in huge numbers even though they will get arrested for doing so with a jail sentence of 15 years. Those who support Putin typically get their news and politics from state media anyway so will only get the Kremlin's view - Much like how the average Fox News viewer gets their news from Tucker Carlson etc...
 
But do they...

Yep.

'Nearly 60% of Russians support Putin’s war against Ukraine.'

^^ That figure is from February, and has since risen, as you'd expect.

'Putin’s public approval soared as Russia prepared to attack Ukraine. History shows it’s unlikely to last.'

Russia’s military buildup along the Ukrainian border over the last few months coincides with a steady rise in Putin’s popularity.

Approximately 69% of Russians now approve of Putin, compared to the 61% who approved of him in August 2021, according to Russian polling agency the Levada Center. And 29% of Russians disapprove of Putin, down from 37% in August 2021.

The polling group is the leading independent sociological research organization in Russia and is widely respected by many scholars, including myself.

Support for Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and his cabinet also increased moderately in the same time period.

The Russian public largely believes that the Kremlin is defending Russia by standing up to the West.

There is also a vast majority who do not

You can't have a vast majority for the war, and a vast majority against it. One side is in the majority (pro war) and the other is not (anti-war).

and have been out protesting in huge numbers

LOL, what? The population of Russia is 144.1 million. Anti-war protests have numbered in the low tens of thousands. That is not 'huge numbers' by any stretch of the imagination.

During February 2003, the UK saw ~1 million people march against the Iraq war in a single day. That was from a population of ~60 million people.
 
There is also a vast majority who do not and have been out protesting .
You mean "tiny minority" there


If the "vast majority" of the population went on protest it would have been the end of this. It also would have been insane to see
 
Because public are too scared to upset the apple cart. but do they really want war, Putin certainly does though.

Yes they do want war. If they were genuinely passionate about opposing the war, they'd brave the authorities and protest anyway, like people do in other oppressive nations. The incredibly low turnout reflects strong Russian support for the war.
 
Because public are too scared to upset the apple cart. but do they really want war, Putin certainly does though.
It's the same public that hunts gays in the way vigilante groups hunt pedophiles in other countries*.

The average russian seems pretty in tune with it government and its scummy policies



*except the dateline special doesn't usualy end in assault,rape or murder
 
It's the same public that hunts gays in the way vigilante groups hunt pedophiles in other countries*.

The average russian seems pretty in tune with it government and its scummy policies



*except the dateline special doesn't usualy end in assault,rape or murder

But you get those mindless drones in this country, usually in council estates, they will just follow whatever way the wind is blowing as it all trickles down from the top, when the top change their disposition or get kicked out, these low level people change their tune also.

I'm really pumping the idioms this morning.
 
Yes they do want war. If they were genuinely passionate about opposing the war, they'd brave the authorities and protest anyway, like people do in other oppressive nations. The incredibly low turnout reflects strong Russian support for the war.

I'd say it is more a good percentage of the population just don't care to oppose it rather than actively support it. Though like with Brexit there is a sizeable percentage who'll also cheer lead whatever direction Putin takes.
 
It's okay they can send in the shiny new super duper Uber armata.........
And it’s half dozen SU57s and all it’s other super duper weapons, you know the ones Russia were holding back so not to show NATO it’s true capability:cry::cry::cry:, how can people not see Russia is basically a bluffing poker player with just a high card
 
The vast majority of Russians support Putin, and support this war.

Do you have independent figures or are those from the Russian 'elections'?

The same assembly figures of 83% of council seats and 72% of Duma seats of the United Russia party that magically keep the party/Putin in power for the last 20 years with the same high figures.

Sounds suspect?

Then wonder about the statistics produced - people are influenced and biased by these figures and publicly fear being identified as non-nationalistic/patriotic.
 
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Interesting:

If Putin was thinking beyond Ukraine they'd need that tank production running over-time and probably add 2-3 manufacturers to it.

Their largest car manufacturer also had to halt production. That effects logistics vehicles, farming vehicles and those used to maintain the oil/gas infrastructure.

How do you bring in the crops or repair your revenue generating oil and gas infrastructure?

Also you could be asking - can Putin afford the additional tanks if he's propping up the economy?

Putin may have miscalculated the depth of impact on food and revenue generation - possibly needing to go cap in hand to China to get new equipment, destroying the Russian manufacturing industry and China then ends up "silk roading" into Russia. China needs that food too and is playing a risky game (unlike china).

Politically the loss of manufacturing to China may play against Putin politically. Putin wins the battle (ie Ukrain) but looses the war - the control of Russia but not to the West but to the East.
 
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Do you have independent figures or are those from the Russian 'elections'?

Both sets of figures are independent, not from the Russian 'elections.'

The figures cited here are from the Levada Centre, an independent, nongovernmental Russian polling agency.

The figures cited here are from Russian Field, another independent Russian research group.

Russian support for Putin soared above 80% when he invaded Crimea. Russians love this ****, they can't get enough of it. As long as Putin is trying to steal land from Eastern Europe, they'll lap it up like free vodka.
 
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