NVIDIA: Gamers Spend $300 More on Ampere GPUs Than Previous Gen

Calin Banc · 25 Mar 2022 at 18:01

Twinz said:
Would you refuse higher pay if your employer affered it?

Depending on the circumstances, yes. Already did that.

Tired9 · 25 Mar 2022 at 18:02

To be honest with such extreme views and whining, it may be Nvidia who are the realistic ones, a lot of silly arguments being made here over something no one could control, even Nvidia themselves or any other manufacturer for that matter.
It's ok, Nvidia sell their cards to AIB's, AIB's price them sky high or not and resellers even more so.

How is this Nvidia's issue?

Calin Banc · 25 Mar 2022 at 18:39

nVIDIA fault comes if the MSRP is too high and you can buy cards at those prices - is not the case now.

So instead of having a x80 card at around 450-500 dollars, you have it at 7-800 dollars. Make no mistake, if there wouldn't be buyers at 7-800 dollars, prices will come down.

Tired9 · 25 Mar 2022 at 18:43

Oh so nothing then. It really is a truly pointless discussion.

:cry:

I will invest this much argument debating if I will die next week.

D.P. · 25 Mar 2022 at 21:54

Alt0153 said:
what a stupid argument, its more like taking a clio, swapping the label to say ferrari and charging ferrari price

and so what, we live in a capatalist society. nVidia is not state owned, their only obligation is with shareholders. If the market is willing to buy Clio s with Ferrari price tags then Nvidia is obligated to sell at those prices unless they kind find a way to sell t even higher profit margins.

Their only other concerns involve environmental impact, supply chain ethics, labour exploitation. Selling products that are profitable and hava very high demand relatiive to supply , and that are entirely a luxury products fir the world's richest 1% is not a cause for ethical dilemma.

It is utterly pathetic that some people seeem to think s company selling luxury products to the world's richest people at market rates is somehow unethical, while at the mean time we have companies exploitation billions of the world's poorest people for the absolute necessities of life.

We live in a world where companies éike Nestle proviu free samples of baby formula to mothers in Africa just long enough so statistically the mother stops producing milk do they are forced to buy baby formula or their child dies.

Yet somehow the ability to play 4k144Hz is a basic human right for which companies must never profit

****ing get real

KiNgPiN83 · 25 Mar 2022 at 22:00

Those figures will be a bit skewed due to the fact a lot of gamers/enthusiasts would've justified paying the higher purchase cost by saying it doesn't matter if i spend x more than i wanted as i'll mine it back in the PCs down time.

CuriousTomCat · 25 Mar 2022 at 22:20

Calin Banc said:
nVIDIA fault comes if the MSRP is too high and you can buy cards at those prices - is not the case now.

So instead of having a x80 card at around 450-500 dollars, you have it at 7-800 dollars. Make no mistake, if there wouldn't be buyers at 7-800 dollars, prices will come down.

If your budget is 450-500 dollars then you buy a card for 450-500 dollars. Ignore the 7-800 dollar card and forget about it. That's what I do.

Move away from this obsession with numbers. So many people are already planning on the 4080. How do they know the 4070 won't fulfill their needs? It's like an OCD. The model must end in 80 or they're triggered.

Twinz · 25 Mar 2022 at 22:24

CuriousTomCat said:
If your budget is 450-500 dollars then you buy a card for 450-500 dollars. Ignore the 7-800 dollar card and forget about it. That's what I do.

Move away from this obsession with numbers. So many people are already planning on the 4080. How do they know the 4070 won't fulfill their needs? It's like an OCD. The model must end in 80 or they're triggered.

I just want to know how it performs and what it costs. The names should be considered part of the company marketing.

Troezar · 26 Mar 2022 at 06:28

I've been saying it for a while now, PC gaming is heading back to a niche market, where it started. The widening gap between prices and income will do it. Everyone else will have a console or not bother. If you're old enough you'd have seen the time when a PC was very expensive, then became quite affordable and is now becoming expensive again.

Calin Banc · 27 Mar 2022 at 18:54

CuriousTomCat said:
If your budget is 450-500 dollars then you buy a card for 450-500 dollars. Ignore the 7-800 dollar card and forget about it. That's what I do.

Move away from this obsession with numbers. So many people are already planning on the 4080. How do they know the 4070 won't fulfill their needs? It's like an OCD. The model must end in 80 or they're triggered.

Is not about numbers, is about what you can buy for the money you have and the segment that you bought in the past.
Anyway, a lot of people seem to be happy with the increases and justify it strangely since our interest as customers is to have the lowest prices. Maybe some have sharers at these companies so pumping up the products feels like a mission of sorts. Or can't see beyond the love for their favorite brand.

nomadd · 28 Mar 2022 at 11:21

Calin Banc said:
Is not about numbers, is about what you can buy for the money you have and the segment that you bought in the past.

This^

For me, I keep my graphics cards a long time, right up until a new card comes along that doubles the performance of my current card at my chosen resolution across a broad range of games. That way I feel the upgrade is justifiable (as long as at the time prices aren't artificially high due to crypto, etc., in which case I skip.)

Wonder if anyone else has criteria like this, or do people simply upgrade because something "new" has turned up?

Troezar · 28 Mar 2022 at 11:32

nomadd said:
This^

For me, I keep my graphics cards a long time, right up until a new card comes along that doubles the performance of my current card at my chosen resolution across a broad range of games. That way I feel the upgrade is justifiable (as long as at the time prices aren't artificially high due to crypto, etc., in which case I skip.)

Wonder if anyone else has criteria like this, or do people simply upgrade because something "new" has turned up?

Sensible criteria. It also depends on disposable income, if you earn £1,000 a month your choices would be very different from someone on £5,000 a month.

Bill Turnip · 28 Mar 2022 at 11:34

More or less - Stepped up from 1070 to 3080 as it was starting to show it's age in a couple of games at 1440p. Acquisition of a 144hz monitor really made me think I would enjoy an upgrade, and I was right. More than I would normally have spent on such items, but given all the problems that happened I got very lucky and am very pleased. I don't see myself upgrading for a while now.

KompuKare · 28 Mar 2022 at 11:35

Calin Banc said:
Is not about numbers, is about what you can buy for the money you have and the segment that you bought in the past.
Anyway, a lot of people seem to be happy with the increases and justify it strangely since our interest as customers is to have the lowest prices. Maybe some have sharers at these companies so pumping up the products feels like a mission of sorts. Or can't see beyond the love for their favorite brand.

The depressingly amusing question must then be, how many shares would they have to hold to make up for even this $300 increase?
Well, googling says Nvidia pay $0.16 per share, so they'd need to have close to 2,000 shares. A share is currently $276 so about $500,000 in Nvidia shares...

Okay, most of these influencers aka company shareholders might be evangelical because they are speculating on the share prices.

I rather suspect, most of them fall into your second category: they have become attached to brand. And besides, if the prices are less affordable doesn't make those who do buy special in some way? Mugs!

Bill Turnip · 28 Mar 2022 at 11:36

Troezar said:
Sensible criteria. It also depends on disposable income, if you earn £1,000 a month your choices would be very different from someone on £5,000 a month.

Exactly this. I've never been able to afford things like this until relatively recently, so am able to appreciate it. It's never worth looking down on someone who doesn't have the latest thing, you never know personal circumstances.

humbug · 28 Mar 2022 at 12:14

Anyone else concerned about the fact that Nvidia have the kind of mentality to make a slide boasting about it?

KompuKare · 28 Mar 2022 at 12:29

humbug said:
Anyone else concerned about the fact that Nvidia have the kind of mentality to make a slide boasting about it?

Well, you'd think they'd try to hide it as most sane consumers wouldn't be happy about them gloating, however as I said above:

KompuKare said:
...if the prices are less affordable doesn't [that] make those who do buy special in some way? Mugs!

So elitists buyers might appreciate it. Or the more-money-than-sense crowd.

Darujhistan · 28 Mar 2022 at 13:38

Dicehunter said:
Yep, It amazes me that everyday working people argue FOR big business and to have high prices, It's like the turkey voting for christmas.

Brainwashed clowns, the internet is full of them.

melmac · 28 Mar 2022 at 17:31

Dicehunter said:
Yep, It amazes me that everyday working people argue FOR big business and to have high prices, It's like the turkey voting for christmas.

Darujhistan said:
Brainwashed clowns, the internet is full of them.

Didn't you both buy graphic cards this generation?

Twinz · 28 Mar 2022 at 17:38

I hope the market forces these companies to offer better value, and I'm glad to see the market turning in our favor, but I'm not angry when companies take money people are willing to give them.

Everyone wants to get the most out of the exchanges they make. I want the most performance I can get for my money, and these companies want the most return on their investments.