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Chinese GPU manufacturer claims RXT 3060 level performance

That's really interesting, thanks.

China has a lot of innovation and a lot of technological muscle, there's every reason to think they could get in on this game. That article makes a dig about PowerVR being from the 90s, but IIRC it was kept going as an architecture for mobile devices long after that. If it has been kept up to date, and someone's building modern stuff around it, that's pretty damn cool and looks like more market competition in this space before long.

Fingers crossed this makes it to production and lives up to its claims. With intel about to enter the market too, we might see some real diversification in gamer GPU architectures, beyond red/green for the first time in ... well since the late 90s?
 
Grim5 said:
Does it even run directx? Because if not then there is no point as it will never run on windows or play games and users here probably don't care about a linux only GPU
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Some games use Vulkan these days, and apparently “DXVK” is pretty good.

But yes, if it’s going to go mainstream it’ll need mainstream platform support.


Right now it’s just good news that other manufacturers are even trying.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Some games use Vulkan these days, and apparently “DXVK” is pretty good.

But yes, if it’s going to go mainstream it’ll need mainstream platform support.


Right now it’s just good news that other manufacturers are even trying.
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the one time i used DXVK it was absolute **** and tanked performance and quality so its hardly good in my experience
 
Zarax said:
but I suspect PRC could pull a Xiaomi on CPUs and GPUs in the next 5 years.
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There is no "pulling a Xiaomi", because all that would mean is they buy AMD/NV chips and then put them on a PCB aka what an add-in-board partner is. That's what Xiaomi actually does with phones, they don't have their own technology to speak about, they just piece already existing pieces together.

As for Chinese GPUs - a joke. That they could slap some compute around and call it a GPU, sure. In terms of actual competition with AMD/NV or indeed even meaningful to modest non-CN customers, nothing but a pipe dream. It's really not the hardware that will be the biggest hurdle, but the software. Of course, it's actually both, and that's why it's just a joke and will remain so for many years.
 
Poneros said:
There is no "pulling a Xiaomi", because all that would mean is they buy AMD/NV chips and then put them on a PCB aka what an add-in-board partner is. That's what Xiaomi actually does with phones, they don't have their own technology to speak about, they just piece already existing pieces together.

As for Chinese GPUs - a joke. That they could slap some compute around and call it a GPU, sure. In terms of actual competition with AMD/NV or indeed even meaningful to modest non-CN customers, nothing but a pipe dream. It's really not the hardware that will be the biggest hurdle, but the software. Of course, it's actually both, and that's why it's just a joke and will remain so for many years.
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Maybe Xiaomi is not the right example but Huawei definitely developed its own chips and they are competitive with western designs.
Underestimating China is a mistake many industries paid dearly, remember GPUs are actually fabbed just across their borders and there is no magical force field that stops their engineers from learning.
 
Zarax said:
Maybe Xiaomi is not the right example but Huawei definitely developed its own chips and they are competitive with western designs.
Underestimating China is a mistake many industries paid dearly, remember GPUs are actually fabbed just across their borders and there is no magical force field that stops their engineers from learning.
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ahh yeah huawei the company uk and america want as little to do wit has possible because of national secuirity concerns, can see them being adopted well
 
Alt0153 said:
ahh yeah huawei the company uk and america want as little to do wit has possible because of national secuirity concerns, can see them being adopted well
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I'm talking about tech, not geopolitics. I work for an ISP and I can tell you we were forced to reject Huawei hardware for political reasons rather than any serious security concern.
 
Zarax said:
Maybe Xiaomi is not the right example but Huawei definitely developed its own chips and they are competitive with western designs.
Underestimating China is a mistake many industries paid dearly, remember GPUs are actually fabbed just across their borders and there is no magical force field that stops their engineers from learning.
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Huawei would've been more appropriate but also would make the case against the OP even stronger. For one, it was still heavily reliant on ARM design that they slightly modified but without which they'd fall flat on their face, and indeed we can see today when they're forced to CN-only that they can't do jack.
Secondly, there is a magical force stopping their engineers from learning, and utilising, already existing knowledge of fab-related things and that's called the western world intervenes against it. They have certainly tried poaching and the like, but have seen very limited success. And that's without even getting into the ASML protectionism and the like, without which they'll relegated to staying a decade behind.

There's been no industry that "underestimated" China, rather there have been amoral and ruthless executives (as well as politicians) who have been complicit in selling off these industries for a quick buck. That's a different matter entirely than when the West has you in their sights and no longer permits such things.
 
While I might agree about the poaching part (we're about 30 years late to do anything about that I'm afraid!), pretty much everyone is doing ARM-derived designs so it's hard to point that as a minus.
ASML is definitely an obstacle to sub-12nm parts but apparently this one has been done at 12nm and we can only look at NVIDIA's previous gen to have an idea of what you can do with it.

Western technological supremacy is in an ever-decreasing number of niches, in electronics China's gap is 5 to 10 years behind which given Moore's law slowing down is not that tragic.
You could still play today's games (although with severely reduced settings!) using 2012's best tech which is something you couldn't dream to do 10 years ago using 10 years old stuff.

I share your feelings about the price of China's growth but now it's too late to close Pandora's box so we might as well just enjoy the benefits of increased competition.
 
Poneros said:
Huawei would've been more appropriate but also would make the case against the OP even stronger. For one, it was still heavily reliant on ARM design that they slightly modified but without which they'd fall flat on their face, and indeed we can see today when they're forced to CN-only that they can't do jack.
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Yet while they had access to the latest TSMC process, their slightly modified cores outperformed Samsung and often Qualcomm too. The part which was their own design was the neural net processor for the camera and they often had the best cameras on their phones especially in low-light conditions. Now they are mostly without their own HiSilicon SoCs and have to rely on Mediatek etc. That is why their phones are no longer leading edge.

I have plenty of problems with Huawei like their anti-consumer stuff like fitness watches which need their software, or their proprietary memory cards. But technical ability was not one of them.

Nor security as while I don't trust them any more than the NSA-backdoor'ed Cisco etc., personally I'd rather have China spying on me than Americans. Not because I am under any illusion about what China is capable of, it's just that China has jurisdictions here whereas - as Snowden found - almost every Western government just asks "how high?" when the American demand they jump.
 
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