This is getting ridiculous (energy prices - Strictly NO referrals!)

[the shadow]

 

[Minusorange]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509520362865889292

It's going to get more expensive now

 

[Roar87]

Honestly not sure where this world is headed with this carnage.

There was a pandemic, but it wasn't anything on a huge scale - it mostly affected people socially. There's also a war in Eastern Europe that most likely won't escalate into a wide spread conflict involving major powers. There's definitely problems, but it also could be far worse.

 

[Nemiyen]

I don't understand people who blame Politicians for everything in the country, what's your plan dude? How do you fix the problem that on the international market gas costs a lot of money and we don't have much of our own? They can't wave a magic wand

Politicians could have been pushing to build small nuclear reactors 10 years ago so they'd be ready now instead of by 2030 and staying reliant on importing fuel from countries like Russia.

They could be ripping up agreements to reduce our carbon footprint and building more north sea oil rigs for our own use or allow fracking to get our own gas from the ground.

Instead we will be carbon neutral by PAYING other countries to be carbon positive by importing their coal and fuel because they don't give a crap about reducing their emissions.

They could be natialising gas and electricity (water too) instead of letting greedy energy providers fleece us for things we need in our daily lives.

Instead of fixing issues we don't have like building a new hs2 line so people can travel faster between places for no jobs when everyone goes bankrupt due to unsustainable prices on fuel and energy!

There's a crap ton the politicians could be doing about it!

 

[gpuerrilla]

Politicians could have been pushing to build small nuclear reactors 10 years ago so they'd be ready now instead of by 2030 and staying reliant on importing fuel from countries like Russia.

They could be ripping up agreements to reduce our carbon footprint and building more north sea oil rigs for our own use or allow fracking to get our own gas from the ground.

Instead we will be carbon neutral by PAYING other countries to be carbon positive by importing their coal and fuel because they don't give a crap about reducing their emissions.

They could be natialising gas and electricity (water too) instead of letting greedy energy providers fleece us for things we need in our daily lives.

Instead of fixing issues we don't have like building a new hs2 line so people can travel faster between places for no jobs when everyone goes bankrupt due to unsustainable prices on fuel and energy!

There's a crap ton the politicians could be doing about it!

They also sign up to carbon neutral agreements and pretend this is all achievable whilst sitting on hands for years.

They could have invested in Tiday systems which is abundant around the coasts and explored other options amongst nuclear - which I agree they again sat on hands about more than a decade ago. We also have plenty of nuclear military vehicles and technology and like the covid panic could easily accelerate a solution.

 

[Nemiyen]

They also sign up to carbon neutral agreements and pretend this is all achievable whilst sitting on hands for years.

They could have invested in Tiday systems which is abundant around the coasts and explored other options amongst nuclear - which I agree they again sat on hands about more than a decade ago. We also have plenty of nuclear military vehicles and technology and like the covid panic could easily accelerate a solution.

Tidal is a good one yeah and research and development into mini fusion reactors too, improvements in solar and battery storage is also useful.

Hopefully sodium ion is a viable future for battery storage and works well.

Unfortunately, war is the main driving force for technological advancement as we just seem to plod along regardless normally! Oh, wait...

 

[Curlyriff]

Octopus guy just on the r4adio 40k readings/day versus normal 1K ..... Don't many people with octopus(&beyond) have smart meters.

edit: stat
Collectively across both large and small energy suppliers, there were 26.1 million smart meters
in domestic properties in Great Britain at the end of 2021; 50% of all domestic meters. Of the
26.1 million domestic smart meters operating at the end of 2021, 22.0 million were smart
meters operating in smart mode (Figure 2). At the end of 2021, 13% of all smart meters were in
prepayment mode, broadly in line with the levels of prepayment meters in the market (14%).

Honestly it is just people being cautious because of the change and are trying to make sure they good. This comes up on the Octopus website though as mentioned. So you can get another day prior if you haven't got smart meter and also it seems most like myself have smart electric but not gas meters from what can tell.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

Fixed last July when I bought my new house, fixed until July 2023, cheers all

*laughs in cheap leccy*

 

[Curlyriff]

Fixed last July when I bought my new house, fixed until July 2023, cheers all

*laughs in cheap leccy*

I wish I had redone a fixed in October when I moved jobs because I had no fee cancellation and could switch anytime but didn't worry about it till it was too late could have had a solid 12 months at least.

 

[Roar87]

Politicians could have been pushing to build small nuclear reactors 10 years ago so they'd be ready now instead of by 2030 and staying reliant on importing fuel from countries like Russia.

They could be ripping up agreements to reduce our carbon footprint and building more north sea oil rigs for our own use or allow fracking to get our own gas from the ground.

Instead we will be carbon neutral by PAYING other countries to be carbon positive by importing their coal and fuel because they don't give a crap about reducing their emissions.

They could be natialising gas and electricity (water too) instead of letting greedy energy providers fleece us for things we need in our daily lives.

Instead of fixing issues we don't have like building a new hs2 line so people can travel faster between places for no jobs when everyone goes bankrupt due to unsustainable prices on fuel and energy!

There's a crap ton the politicians could be doing about it!

You're speaking with 20/20 hindsight though, 10 years ago we were still struggling to get the economy running again after the financial crash, no one predicted Russia would go to war with Ukraine and suddenly we'd want to reduce reliance on them, we probably hoped 10 years ago we would have a better relationship with Russia not worse. What's the point of us being carbon neutral if we're just shifting the problem else where? And you think nationalising companies makes them less greedy? Private companies are accountable to the free market, nationalisation means we have no choice what we pay. Also not sure if you're aware but the general public sees the word nuclear and runs 50 miles in the other direction, no one wants a nuclear power station in the same county as them, that's the problem.

 

[Energize]

You do realise that having your direct debit too high doesn't mean you're actually paying any more for the energy you use... right?

It can be costing you a significant amount in lost interest. In a lifetime ISA you get a 25% bonus on what you deposit so if you pay £1000 a year more in electric than you should be doing you are missing out on that £250 per year bonus the government gives you, plus the paltry 1% interest on top of that.

 

[ltron]

I don't understand people who blame Politicians for everything in the country, what's your plan dude? How do you fix the problem that on the international market gas costs a lot of money and we don't have much of our own? They can't wave a magic wand

Look at what other European countries have done and are doing for a start with windfall taxes and subsidising the cost for their citizens (not loans). Why are we in the UK suffering the most and how is that acceptable? France has limited bills to a 4% increase (before Ukraine) as they own a stake in the largest energy company and yet we have already had our bills increased by at least 54% with more to come.

This government are effectively doing nothing and allowing us to bear the brunt of the crisis, that's what I am complaining about, they won't even keep their Brexit promise of removing VAT from energy bills. It goes without saying that this is even more reason to accelerate our transition away from fossil fuels and a huge programme of home insulation and subsidies for things like solar panels and heat pumps is what's needed.

The Conservatives are ones who got rid of our gas storage facilities by the way and are to blame for our slow transition away from fossil fuels and their ideological extremism which makes them rely on the market to fix a case of market failure (a contradiction in terms).

It's a couple of months old but our media are rather quiet on the issue because they like to do apologetics for our useless government: https://www.theguardian.com/busines...her-european-countries-tackling-energy-crisis

https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/...-countries-responding-to-soaring-energy-bills

 

[mid_gen]

You're speaking with 20/20 hindsight though, 10 years ago we were still struggling to get the economy running again after the financial crash, no one predicted Russia would go to war with Ukraine and suddenly we'd want to reduce reliance on them, we probably hoped 10 years ago we would have a better relationship with Russia not worse. What's the point of us being carbon neutral if we're just shifting the problem else where? And you think nationalising companies makes them less greedy? Private companies are accountable to the free market, nationalisation means we have no choice what we pay. Also not sure if you're aware but the general public sees the word nuclear and runs 50 miles in the other direction, no one wants a nuclear power station in the same county as them, that's the problem.

If the energy company is state-owned, it's priority is to provide a stable and secure energy supply to the country.

If the energy companies are private, their priority is to generate profit to shareholders.

As usual in this country, we have this bastardised halfway house form of privatisation, that puts profits into private shareholders hands, and has the taxpayer pick up the losses, while there is never actually being an effective free market, just the illusion of one.

Meanwhile, the French have just told the state owned energy supplier to subsidise French energy consumers.....guess who's paying for that......

 

[ltron]

Octopus guy just on the r4adio 40k readings/day versus normal 1K ..... Don't many people with octopus(&beyond) have smart meters.

edit: stat
Collectively across both large and small energy suppliers, there were 26.1 million smart meters
in domestic properties in Great Britain at the end of 2021; 50% of all domestic meters. Of the
26.1 million domestic smart meters operating at the end of 2021, 22.0 million were smart
meters operating in smart mode (Figure 2). At the end of 2021, 13% of all smart meters were in
prepayment mode, broadly in line with the levels of prepayment meters in the market (14%).

I don't have a smart meter but plan to get one soon.

 

[413x]

Fixed last July when I bought my new house, fixed until July 2023, cheers all

*laughs in cheap leccy*

If you know. You know!


But yeah I fixed in October. So no where near your amazing rate. But better than the alternative!

 

[DeliciousStorage]

no one wants a nuclear power station in the same county as them, that's the problem

This exactly, I'm aware they are very safe but I wouldn't want one near me just in case, accidents can happen. Everyone thinks they are a good idea as long as it's not in their backyard.

 

[Zenduri]

If the energy company is state-owned, it's priority is to provide a stable and secure energy supply to the country.

If the energy companies are private, their priority is to generate profit to shareholders.

As usual in this country, we have this bastardised halfway house form of privatisation, that puts profits into private shareholders hands, and has the taxpayer pick up the losses, while there is never actually being an effective free market, just the illusion of one.

Meanwhile, the French have just told the state owned energy supplier to subsidise French energy consumers.....guess who's paying for that......

Bulb is state run basically now and its £1.5billion cost is set to balloon to £3billion by the end of year...

Also its an election year in France so the french PM obviously wont pass on the cost to the taxpayers until the election is over. Not covering energy costs in an election year would be political suicide

 

[Roar87]

If the energy company is state-owned, it's priority is to provide a stable and secure energy supply to the country.

If the energy companies are private, their priority is to generate profit to shareholders.

As usual in this country, we have this bastardised halfway house form of privatisation, that puts profits into private shareholders hands, and has the taxpayer pick up the losses, while there is never actually being an effective free market, just the illusion of one.

Meanwhile, the French have just told the state owned energy supplier to subsidise French energy consumers.....guess who's paying for that......

Yeah, they also have to be competitive with pricing, that's why a lot of them went out of business this year, it wouldn't suggest they're fleecing the public if they're not earning enough money to survive

 

[ltron]

Bulb is state run basically now and its £1.5billion cost is set to balloon to £3billion by the end of year...

Also its an election year in France so the french PM obviously wont pass on the cost to the taxpayers until the election is over. Not covering energy costs in an election year would be political suicide

I suppose doing nothing isn't political suicide then. If the Conservatives don't get punished for this I will have lost all faith in humanity.

 

[robj20]

I have a smart meter. It's dumb though due to no WAN coverage, so still requires reading and submitting.

Mine stopped working at the beginning of March, weirdly the same time a lot of people's did if you search online.
Octopus don't seem to give a hoot so assist from this month's readings I can't be arsed sending any more, it's a right hassle to get to the meters.