Poll: Nvidia 4000 Estimated Launch Pricing

[TNA]

There must be a point where the price is so high they just sit around on retailers shelves.

Over the years what i'm willing to pay for (lets say ##70 class) GPU's has gone from £250 to £350 to £450 and £500 and now i have got to the stage where i'm just; no! #### that.

GTX 970: £270
GTX 1070: £400
RTX 2070S £450

RTX 3070: £500 and its 20% faster than my current GPU; no i'm done, #### you Nvidia.

The pound was much stronger back then, plus inflation, plus the 3070 is on a bigger die and manufacturing process that costs a lot more, shipping costs have gone up tones, materiel prices have shot up. Not to mention r&d surely is more now than back then, the list goes on. All that adds up. Sure does not quite bring it to todays prices, but it goes a long way to explaining the price.

I would look at the dollar price to take the weak pound out of the equation. The 970 was $329 and the 3070 is $499. As I say if you factor in all the stuff above then you can see not as much of the price hike ends up in nvidia's coffers. Why do you think AMD charge the silly moneys they do these days? Things have changed unfortunately mate. Believe me, I wish prices were more sensible.

The equation in recent years has been 30% faster and 50% more expensive?

Is it? Not been that way for me. Got 3080 FE for under £600 after selling the codes that came with it, which made it MUCH cheaper than a 2080Ti and has a lot more performance. Then I sold that and got a 3070 FE for £469. So around same performance as 2080TI for way less than 50% of the cost.

Where you buying your GPU's bro?

 

[humbug]

The pound was much stronger back then, plus inflation, plus the 3070 is on a bigger die and manufacturing process that costs a lot more, shipping costs have gone up tones, materiel prices have shot up. Not to mention r&d surely is more now than back then, the list goes on. All that adds up. Sure does not quite bring it to todays prices, but it goes a long way to explaining the price.

I would look at the dollar price to take the weak pound out of the equation. The 970 was $329 and the 3070 is $499. As I say if you factor in all the stuff above then you can see not as much of the price hike ends up in nvidia's coffers. Why do you think AMD charge the silly moneys they do these days? Things have changed unfortunately mate. Believe me, I wish prices were more sensible.

That's a 52% price inflation for the same class of card, i was going along with that inflation but its got to the point now where the RTX 3070 isn't worth it, its not enough of a step up and its still an 8GB card.

 

[TNA]

That's a 52% price inflation for the same class of card, i was going along with that inflation but its got to the point now where the RTX 3070 isn't worth it, its not enough of a step up and its still an 8GB card.

So you just dismiss all the other points and put it all down to inflation then?

One can always look at it like this, that extra performance people were pay £1200 when the with the 2080Ti. Not saying it was worth it, but that’s what it was. If it ain’t worth it for you then obviously vote with your wallet and wait it out.

I am sure they will have a 4060 (AMD equivalent) that will be similar price this gen and offer more performance, maybe that will your time to upgrade.

Again to reiterate, not defend them. I am just a realist. It is what it i unfortunately.

 

[humbug]

So you just dismiss all the other points and put it all down to inflation then?

One can always look at it like this, that extra performance people were pay £1200 when the with the 2080Ti. Not saying it was worth it, but that’s what it was. If it ain’t worth it for you then obviously vote with your wallet and wait it out.

I am sure they will have a 4060 (AMD equivalent) that will be similar price this gen and offer more performance, maybe that will your time to upgrade.

I haven't dismissed it it was a none argument given that i have bought those GPU's.

Generational upgrade should be 30% at least, absolute minimum. i don't see any RTX 3070's scoring anywhere near 5,000 here, you need a 3080 for that and how much are they?

This is my 24/7 clock.

 

[Tired9]

I am happy with what I have, my system is very fast and it seems if wanting more the software really needs to catch up in a lot of regards. Ray Tracing is excellent but not needed if a game is excellent in the first place.

My RTX 3070 was not the wisest purchase being £860 but it was what I needed at the moment of purchase and stuck with my decision, I don't regret it coming from a RTX 2060 and a 5700-XT before that.
The biggest regret I have actually was buying the 5700-XT in what would have been the best bang for the money purchase I have made in a long time but it's drivers were trash for way too long. 13 months is a long time, I don't care how mentally unstable you are to think I should have waited longer.

I scored 14 115 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 LHR x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

5600X results on Heaven 4.0. I now own a 5800X. This 3070 is power limited or it could do more.

 

[Joxeon]

3060--£400
3060ti--£500
3070 --£600
3080--£800
3080ti--£1200
3090--£1800

 

[gpuerrilla]

That's a 52% price inflation for the same class of card, i was going along with that inflation but its got to the point now where the RTX 3070 isn't worth it, its not enough of a step up and its still an 8GB card.

Don't mention VRAM amounts. Tetchy subject.

 

[Tired9]

Just don't run FC6 with HD textures, game still looks excellent even without them.
Of course I am supposing when sat on a forum with critical lens and some cherry picked images you may see some differences, in game though it's not missed and not noticed.

Vram is an issue on the 3070 but literally a non issue if you remain realistic with settings. Which for high refresh 1440p I am sacrificing some shadow quality here and there and some ultra AO for normal - high AO and mega uber sampled light shafts for medium ones where differences are tiny but the performance hit is pretty big. Had some 20-30 FPS gains from that alone.

If I want 60 FPS I can crank everything at 1440P just not FC6's HD textures.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Good to see on the 4080 they have 16Gb vram. 4070 having 12Gb.

 

[TNA]

I haven't dismissed it it was a none argument given that i have bought those GPU's.

Bigger die
More expensive manufacturing process
Sky rocketing shipping costs
Higher r&d costs

You dismissed all that and called it a non argument.. Right…

 

[Nexus18]

Mining is the only reason Nvidia had record sales and huge margins, notice how sales have drooped off and prices are crashing, now mining is not as profitable. Competition from Intel and AMD, inflation and high energy pricing means people have less disposable income. Jensen will see this and price accordingly.

Miners were buying whatever they could get their hands on, second hand vegas and 5700xt etc. were going for silly money too. IIRC, gibbo even stated he was buying in whatever he could and charging extra for it because he knew miners would pay extra for that old stock.





Given people are cutting costs wherever they can i.e. look at all the streaming services taking a hit now, if nvidia think they can get away with charging a fortune then they are deluded, bit like a few folk on here

@TNA

Funny thing is amds pricing strategy is not much different to nvidias now, someone should do a perf for price chart of old to new cards too But as per usual, it's the "nvidia bad, amd good" stance

 

[TNA]

Miners were buying whatever they could get their hands on, second hand vegas and 5700xt etc. were going for silly money too. IIRC, gibbo even stated he was buying in whatever he could and charging extra for it because he knew miners would pay extra for that old stock.





Given people are cutting costs wherever they can i.e. look at all the streaming services taking a hit now, if nvidia think they can get away with charging a fortune then they are deluded, bit like a few folk on here

@TNA

Funny thing is amds pricing strategy is not much different to nvidias now, someone should do a perf for price chart of old to new cards too But as per usual, it's the "nvidia bad, amd good" stance

Yeah. Silliness really. AMD are no ones friend, they are already charging silly prices, just imagining how much more loob one would need if they ever got back 50+ percent market share. Before I use to be a big fan of team red as they would offer much better price for performance so I always went AMD. Now that is no longer the case so to me they are not much different than nvidia.

My hope is the 4070/4080 will be priced well and they will sell a boat load of those. Then they will milk the people wanting Titan, 4090, 4080 Ti etc. That is what I am hoping for anyway.

 

[Nexus18]

Yeah. Silliness really. AMD are no ones friend, they are already charging silly prices, just imagining how much more loob one would need if they ever got back 50+ percent market share. Before I use to be a big fan of team red as they would offer much better price for performance so I always went AMD. Now that is no longer the case so to me they are not much different than nvidia.

My hope is the 4070/4080 will be priced well and they will sell a boat load of those. Then they will milk the people wanting Titan, 4090, 4080 Ti etc. That is what I am hoping for anyway.

Preach!

My last nvidia card was the 8800 as amd were much better for price to perf until 5700xt came along.... RDNA 2 is much better and a step in the right direction but lack of being able to get one in the UK for MSRP at launch made them a no go for many people. That and with the sheer amount of RT games and DLSS in games now (which is only growing bigger every month) with RDNA 2 not currently being able to match these 2 areas at all (still waiting on fsr 2 to land and chances are it won't be quite as good as dlss.... ) made nvidias extra price tag (£50 if comparing MSRP) worth it for my needs/wants.

 

[humbug]

I am happy with what I have, my system is very fast and it seems if wanting more the software really needs to catch up in a lot of regards. Ray Tracing is excellent but not needed if a game is excellent in the first place.

My RTX 3070 was not the wisest purchase being £860 but it was what I needed at the moment of purchase and stuck with my decision, I don't regret it coming from a RTX 2060 and a 5700-XT before that.
The biggest regret I have actually was buying the 5700-XT in what would have been the best bang for the money purchase I have made in a long time but it's drivers were trash for way too long. 13 months is a long time, I don't care how mentally unstable you are to think I should have waited longer.

I scored 14 115 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 LHR x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

5600X results on Heaven 4.0. I now own a 5800X. This 3070 is power limited or it could do more.

That's 30% faster than mine, its also over 2.2Ghz and the highest score i've seen on a 3070.

I think even you would agree its not worth it.

 

[humbug]

Yeah. Silliness really. AMD are no ones friend, they are already charging silly prices, just imagining how much more loob one would need if they ever got back 50+ percent market share. Before I use to be a big fan of team red as they would offer much better price for performance so I always went AMD. Now that is no longer the case so to me they are not much different than nvidia.

My hope is the 4070/4080 will be priced well and they will sell a boat load of those. Then they will milk the people wanting Titan, 4090, 4080 Ti etc. That is what I am hoping for anyway.

Somewhat conflicting arguments there, AMD too expensive and your hoping Nvidia wont be, this time?

It reads like someone who already has their mind set on Nvidia and are hoping they can rationalise it, just own it or you will inevitably have to join the Nvidia mental gymnastics team who for some strange reason feel they need to justify their purchase instead of just saying "i'm an Nvidia fan, deal with it"

 

[TNA]

That's 30% faster than mine, its also over 2.2Ghz and the highest score i've seen on a 3070.

I think even you would agree its not worth it.

Played a bunch of games with RT on. Most recently Dying Light 2. Totally worth it. You sold your AMD card to side grade to an nvidia one just because of a fan for god sakes. Horses for courses.

Somewhat conflicting arguments there, AMD too expensive and your hoping Nvidia wont be, this time?

It reads like someone who already has their mind set on Nvidia and are hoping they can rationalise it, just own it or you will inevitably have to join the Nvidia mental gymnastics crowed who for some strange reason feel they need to justify their purchase instead of just saying "i'm an Nvidia fan, deal with it"

And what yours reads like is I have made my opinion up about you and no matter what you say I will see what I want to see. To be fair you are not the only one on this forum that does that.

It is obvious to see as I provide facts and you just gloss over them as “non argument”. Talk about mental gymnastics

Go look at what I voted for and read what I said again, I am expecting them to be more expensive... All I said was AMD are no better and suddenly you just see red and can’t parse properly it seems.

 

[humbug]

Played a bunch of games with RT on. Most recently Dying Light 2. Totally worth it. You sold your AMD card to side grade to an nvidia one just because of a fan for god sakes. Horses for courses.




And what yours reads like is I have made my opinion up about you and no matter what you say I will see what I want to see. To be fair you are not the only one on this forum that does that.

It is obvious to see as I provide facts and you just gloss over them as “non argument”. Talk about mental gymnastics

Yeah i'm a huge fan of AMD's GPU's, its why i buy so many Nvidia cards.

All things being equal i'll buy AMD over Nvidia and Intel because i like AMD as a company more < see how easy that was?

However, i'm not going to buy something that is not as good or worse value for it. Because i guess i'm selfish like that.

 

[TNA]

Yeah i'm a huge fan of AMD's GPU's, its why i buy so many Nvidia cards.

All things being equal i'll buy AMD over Nvidia and Intel because i like AMD as a company more < see how easy that was?

However, i'm not going to buy something that is not as good or worse value for it. Because i guess i'm selfish like that.

Ok, so what exactly is it you are saying then? I don’t get the point you are trying to make as I have no love for these companies as they will screw your walled whenever they can. I buy what’s suits me and what takes my fancy. I have no loyalties to them, just my wallet.

 

[humbug]

Ok, so what exactly is it you are saying then? I don’t get the point you are trying to make.

Its ok to prefer one company over another, we all have preferences like that, its very human of us.

 

[TNA]

Its ok to prefer one company over another, we all have preferences like that, its very human of us.

Thing is I don’t. You just seem to think I do. What are you basing this off?