Is this true? Speed limiters fitted to all new cars

I just read the very same article. I think it is and to be fair would make sense. I guess there will be a rush to buy new cars before this comes in.
 
Its been talked about for some time, its an EU directive so we should expect now we have left to not have it right...
oh it seems its another sensible EU thing, so apart from the DM and DE we should expect support.

I believe when your above the limit it will keep sounding alerts and eventually restrict power to bring you back down, but thats going to be partly manufacturer implementation I suspect. Also I believe its proposed that you will have to push the accelerator harder/keep it fully depressed in order to exceed in the first place.

Expect Nasher to come along any time soon to say hes going to wrap half his car in tinfoil to stop things he doesn't like from working ;)

Road deaths have started increasing, I suspect we have got to the point where increasing numbers on the road, especially in the older category (aging demographics of people able to drive relative to total drivers), has got to the point that the rate of deaths expected due to these factors is no longer being more than offset by improved safety measures, both of roads but also car manufacturers. As such I guess its necessary.
 
Had to chuckle at this comment from that article though

So you are overtaking and just as you are are getting passed the other car your car slows you down .
Can't see any problem their like definitely safe a car doing what it wants lol
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As clearly if you'd need to break the speed limit to perform a "safe" overtake, then you shouldn't be overtaking in the first place :D
 
What is the limit going to be ?
My car is limited to 125mph and most German cars are limited to 155mph.

Will this limit be matched to the speed limit on the road the driver is currently using?

EDIT - got it :)

That means new vehicles will have a safety device that stops you from driving faster than the speed limit on that road
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SDK^ said:
What is the limit going to be ?
My car is limited to 125mph and most German cars are limited to 155mph.

Will this limit be matched to the speed limit on the road the driver is currently using?

EDIT - got it :)
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Cue nutters in neutral flying down the 30 at 60 because it's downhill. Also massive insurance penalties for not having the box
 
I would expect manufacturers to deliberately use mickey mouse implementations of this so that consumers can easily bypass them, whilst still "legally" meeting the criteria for having said limiters. That way it will not hurt sales. Also, what happens if you want to buy the latest sports car and take it to a track day? It has to have a legal means to turn it off. Maybe it will be linked to GPS data to enable deactivation at such locations. Sounds messy.
 
SDK^ said:
What is the limit going to be ?
My car is limited to 125mph and most German cars are limited to 155mph.

Will this limit be matched to the speed limit on the road the driver is currently using?

EDIT - got it :)
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Yeah I have some minor concerns in regards this, it really depends in implementation, and possibly an update to more sophisticated speed signs / announcements*

When I was driving in Scotland last year my other halves car was picking up road signs that only applied to larger vehicles and indicating that as the limit.
You also see the car occasionally pickup a road sign thats badly placed, such as when a turning off a main road is poor and as such it immediately has a low speed limit applied. Often in these cases it will be picked up as you drive past whilst still on the main road.
Of course many of these could be fixed by better positioning of the signs.

* Limits could be "broadcast" locally over a very low level wifi or similar as well as using signs, when more than one limit applies, such as time of day, or vehicle size etc.
 
jaybee said:
I would expect manufacturers to deliberately use mickey mouse implementations of this so that consumers can easily bypass them, whilst still "legally" meeting the criteria for having said limiters. That way it will not hurt sales. Also, what happens if you want to buy the latest sports car and take it to a track day? It has to have a legal means to turn it off. Maybe it will be linked to GPS data to enable deactivation at such locations. Sounds messy.
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Doesn't the Nissan GTR do exactly that?
 
That means new vehicles will have a safety device that stops you from driving faster than the speed limit on that road
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What?! How is that ever going to be reliable? Is speed (over the speed limit) the biggest factor in fatalities. I'd trust this research was done, but probably not.
 
jaybee said:
I would expect manufacturers to deliberately use mickey mouse implementations of this so that consumers can easily bypass them, whilst still "legally" meeting the criteria for having said limiters. That way it will not hurt sales. Also, what happens if you want to buy the latest sports car and take it to a track day? It has to have a legal means to turn it off. Maybe it will be linked to GPS data to enable deactivation at such locations. Sounds messy.
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From memory the devices have to be only partially able to be deactivated, im not sure if that was final or at the consultation phase however

A trackday mode would make sense, have it automatically turn off on vision of any roadsigns would stop people driving around with it on in normal use.

It will be far easier to ticket people once its fully active (but that will take years) since no one in theory should be speeding so excess of limit can be dropped right down.
 
ISA systems have to provide feedback to the driver in case of over-speed conditions, which
has to be appropriate and effective. As the current development of technology stands, there
are several technical options for the feedback methodology. However, not all of them can be
used in each and every motor vehicle (it depends on the engine, the propulsion type (hybrid),
the gearbox, etc.). Therefore, it is provided in the draft Delegated Regulation that vehicle
manufacturers can choose one of the following four feedback methodologies to base their ISA
systems on:
(1) the haptic feedback system which relies on the pedal restoring force:
–Driver’s foot will be gently pushed back in case of over-speed. It will help to reduce
driving speed and can be overridden by the driver.
(2) the speed control system which relies on engine management:
–Automatic reduction of the propulsion power independent of the position of drive’s
feet on the pedal, but that can also be overridden by the driver easily.
(3) the cascaded acoustic warning:
–1
st step: flash an optical signal
–2
nd step: after several seconds, if no reaction from the driver, the acoustic warning
will be activated
–If the driver ignores this combined feedback, both warnings will be timed-out.
(4) the cascaded vibration warning
–1
st step: flash an optical signal
–2
nd step: after several seconds, if no reaction from the driver, pedal will vibrate
–If the driver ignores this combined feedback, both warnings will be timed-out.
Despite the functional differences, ISA systems based on each of those four options are
considered equally safe and effective.
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Thing is it will rely on sign reading, which isn't reliable and easy to fool by simply covering the camera. They love to spot signs for side roads. So expect to see people suddenly slowing to 30 on NSL roads.

Yet another poorly thought out EU policy. Automatic speed limiter, but you can over-ride it in an "emergency" by flooring it in your 400+ hp car. Yea that's much safer.
 
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Armageus said:
Had to chuckle at this comment from that article though



As clearly if you'd need to break the speed limit to perform a "safe" overtake, then you shouldn't be overtaking in the first place :D
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Wouldn't say so, the professional view is that it's better to get the overtake done as quickly as possible within reason of course.
 
Janesy B said:
Wouldn't say so, the professional view is that it's better to get the overtake done as quickly as possible within reason of course.
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But if you are breaking the speed limit, you are breaking the speed limit - Regardless of whether you are overtaking
 
Of course, but I'll stop going over the limit when **** stop speeding up after doing 40 in a 60 on a nice straight road with good visibility.
 
Janesy B said:
Of course, but I'll stop going over the limit when **** stop speeding up after doing 40 in a 60 on a nice straight road with good visibility.
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But with a 20mph speed differential and a clear road surely it's easy it to overtake without breaking the speed limit.
 
And how many drivers will use this as an excuse to keep their foot welded to the floor, 'safe' in the knowledge that the car won't let them go faster than the posted speed limit, even though that speed isn't remotely appropriate for the conditions?

Can't we just teach and enforce higher driving standards?
 
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