Is this true? Speed limiters fitted to all new cars

So many people haven't a clue what they are taking about. This is a great idea, my car already has it.

I think this especially is a point people are either ignoring or your just reading the headlines.
"You can override the system by pressing hard on the accelerator, but the system will reactivate every time the car is started."

On mine there is a button as well, similar to how Stop/Start auto engages when you start the car but you can turn it off.
But under normal driving it just means you don't worry about speeding, but you can of you want to.

Also doesn't just read signs it uses the GPS and maps as well.
 
robj20 said:
So many people haven't a clue what they are taking about. This is a great idea, my car already has it.

I think this especially is a point people are either ignoring or your just reading the headlines.
"You can override the system by pressing hard on the accelerator, but the system will reactivate every time the car is started."

On mine there is a button as well, similar to how Stop/Start auto engages when you start the car but you can turn it off.
But under normal driving it just means you don't worry about speeding, but you can of you want to.

Also doesn't just read signs it uses the GPS and maps as well.
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There seems to be a few different takes on what form it might take - I don't think there is a specific implementation at this point. There is a provisional agreement to fit the bits needed for such functionality hardware and software wise to new cars but if/when and what form it will take isn't pinned down AFAIK.

Personally I'm fine with a non-intrusive warning so I can spend less time looking away from the road - but beyond that absolutely against it. Also not a fan of features of this kind of nature which don't remember your last setting either.
 
I can’t help but think that we’ve brought this on ourselves with the general inability to keep to speed limits.

I round of applause for those who’ve set the example for the lemmings on the road who’ve then followed the example.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
I can’t help but think that we’ve brought this on ourselves with the general inability to keep to speed limits.

I round of applause for those who’ve set the example for the lemmings on the road who’ve then followed the example.
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I rarely see instances where speed alone causes a problem anyhow - it is almost always combined with other poor approaches to driving and those people are still a menace within the speed limit albeit maybe a little less potentially deadly. In fact some of the faster drivers I see are amongst the better drivers I see in terms of paying attention and driving within the margins of the conditions.
 
My car already has speed limiter support built in, as well as road sign recognition and built in GPS. If i want to set the limiter, or have the car warn me if I'm over the speed limit then I can do that.

However I'm against making these limiters mandatory and always on. For a start, the speed limit recognition doesn't always work. The road sign recognition can make mistakes (for instance reading the speed limit signs on the backs of lorries), or the signage can be obscured, plus the GPS databases of speed limits are not always accurate, even road layouts can change. I've driven on new road layouts that don't appear on the built-in sat-nav (with the latest maps), so those maps would have to be updated much more frequently.

Also the last thing I need is the car stopping me accellerating out of danger, or distracting me with pings and warnings while doing that.

I have turned on the manual speed limiter on occasion, and it's a distinctly uncomfortable feeling when driving, as you find the car just doesn't respond to the accellerator properly. It feels like the car is broken, and makes driving much more unpleasant. (Maybe that's the idea anyway).
 
Kenai said:
Have any manufacturers indicated they'll be implementing anything other than the acoustic (or vibration based) warning yet?

I would assume most will go for the simple acoustic warning as it'll require minimal additional hardware - I'll be interested to see who is the first to go for the more intrusive power reduction / haptic pedal resist approach
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Many cars already have this tech and have done for years.

Whilst it isn't automatic, a 2011 1 series has a speed limiter which reduces engine power to prevent acceleration above whatever limit the driver has set. This was a decade ago.

Today there are many cars on the market which can already be set to auto limit to the speed limit based on a combination of road sign recognition and navigation database information.
 
with improving telematics + cloud connection cars could already upload speed data anonymously in case authorities want to subsequently consult it,
there was some consternation over the BMW connected uploads - all under data privacy/gdpr presumably - I don't know if you can ask them to show you what they have (like for google).

could have geo based advertising 'here is a discount voucher for the fast food place close to your location' .. are there 3rd party apps that already do that, fb tracks locations.
 
Entai said:
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This is just one of the stepping stones to fully autonomous cars.

As electric cars start to become mainstream over the next few years, manufacturers will move ever closer to full level 5 autonomous cars, with no sterring wheels, no pedals, no way for the human to override anything the car does.
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That's just simply not going to happen for a very long time yet

It's not down to the technology but legal implications and liabilities.

"Oh it wasn't me that ran that child over, it was my automated car".

Not going to happen, technology may be able to do it, but you still need a human to blame when things go wrong.
 
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[TW]Fox said:
Many cars already have this tech and have done for years.
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I know, hence questioning whether any manufacturers have suggested they'd be actually implementing anything more intrusive than acoustic warnings, which already meet the requirements of the draft legislation I posted earlier - the only real difference being always on.

In reality I suspect this will be little more than a minor annoyance to most people until the regulations are changed to enforce something more intrusive than audible warnings.

I think it's unlikely any manufacturers are going to dive both feet first into always on power limiting etc. which is what everyone seems to be twisting their knickers about.
 
Why stop there? We should just electrify car seats so when people sit in middle / right lanes for miles on end, zap. When a light goes green and the car remains stationary for 5 seconds, zap. When the car is doing 50mph on a motorway / 40 on an NSL, zap.

As someone who's driven every day through the pandemic, the driving abilities displayed on our roads has fallen off a cliff, people have absolutely no idea what's happening outside of their 10deg cone of vision anymore. It's astonishingly bad actually.
 
Dup said:
What?! How is that ever going to be reliable? Is speed (over the speed limit) the biggest factor in fatalities. I'd trust this research was done, but probably not.
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Excess speed is in the top 4.
 
BUDFORCE said:
That's just simply not going to happen for a very long time yet

It's not down to the technology but legal implications and liabilities.

"Oh it wasn't me that ran that child over, it was my automated car".

Not going to happen, technology may be able to do it, but you still need a human to blame when things go wrong.
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Laws will be changed within two years to allow fully autonomous cars on our roads.

This will be to allow research and development of the systems.

Yet to be finalised and agreed, but to start with humans might most likely have to supervise the systems and be on hand to override if necessary.

But already as I type this there are fully autonomous cars with zero controls such as steering wheels etc, operating and running on private test tracks in the UK and other countries, which could easily be put on our roads as soon as the laws change, if allowed.

As for who is liable, that will be the manufacturer for fully autonomous cars, as the passengers will have no overrides or controls, so will not be liable at all.
 
Rroff said:
I rarely see instances where speed alone causes a problem anyhow - it is almost always combined with other poor approaches to driving and those people are still a menace within the speed limit albeit maybe a little less potentially deadly. In fact some of the faster drivers I see are amongst the better drivers I see in terms of paying attention and driving within the margins of the conditions.
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And there is the issue.
You have no issue with braking the speed limits. Why not?

You may be right that some more skilled drivers “might” be included.
The issue is the example that this sets for the muppets and lemmings.

Additionally, this lassez fait approach is also now applied to many other elements I driving, eg lane hogging, inappropriate braking distances etc.

The point being that once you cross the line of braking a driving a law, then some think that ALL are simply optional.

I’ll say it again, it’s exactly because of this “laws are optional” attitude that we are now faced with cars imposing limits on us.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
And there is the issue.
You have no issue with braking the speed limits. Why not?

You may be right that some more skilled drivers “might” be included.
The issue is the example that this sets for the muppets and lemmings.

Additionally, this lassez fait approach is also now applied to many other elements I driving, eg lane hogging, inappropriate braking distances etc.

The point being that once you cross the line of braking a driving a law, then some think that ALL are simply optional.

I’ll say it again, it’s exactly because of this “laws are optional” attitude that we are now faced with cars imposing limits on us.
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It doesn't really work like that in the real world - there are some who have a laissez faire attitude to all road laws but a large number drive in accordance to the other road laws despite breaking the speed limit by a small to moderate margin and vice versa a not small amount of people who never speed but have an appalling standard of driving and brake pretty much all the other rules/laws.

Ultimately driving is complex - roads, vehicles and people present a multitude of variables and in a practical situation it requires some flexibility to accommodate all situations (one of the reasons the police generally have a tolerance above the set speed limit and margin of error tolerances for speeding but less tolerance on many other road laws).
 
Rroff said:
It doesn't really work like that in the real world - there are some who have a laissez faire attitude to all road laws but a large number drive in accordance to the other road laws despite breaking the speed limit by a small to moderate margin and vice versa a not small amount of people who never speed but have an appalling standard of driving and brake pretty much all the other rules/laws.

Ultimately driving is complex - roads, vehicles and people present a multitude of variables and in a practical situation it requires some flexibility to accommodate all situations (one of the reasons the police generally have a tolerance above the set speed limit and margin of error tolerances for speeding but less tolerance on many other road laws).
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Sorry, but I don't agree.
If anything it feels as though the "majority" are quite happy to follow along as lemmings, breaking the speed limit in both 20 and 30mph zones.
The worst of it is that it appears that most are breaking the law by just enough to get caught, but not enough to genuinely get to their destination any faster.

As for your argument about driving being complex. Yes, it is, but bearing in mind how simple things need to be to ensure that people have guidelines that they can abide by, it's just a spurious point. For example, variable speed limits near schools. It makes perfect sense, but you know that a certain % of the population will respond by saying that it's too complex. Which leaves us with "simple" and "fixed" rules, until people acting as role models show that they're simply "negotiable".
Let me put this another way, Boris with his "hey, it's OK to get ****** with my mates". We all know that it's wasn't. This really isn't any different.

I understand that you might find it "inconvenient", but unfortunately, that's just tough.
You either start joining in an playing by the rules, or you sit back and watch as driving standards continue to slip.
 
Rroff said:
It doesn't really work like that in the real world - there are some who have a laissez faire attitude to all road laws but a large number drive in accordance to the other road laws despite breaking the speed limit by a small to moderate margin and vice versa a not small amount of people who never speed but have an appalling standard of driving and brake pretty much all the other rules/laws.
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Yeah I completely agree with this. Speeding I see less and less these days, unless it's on the dual carriageway/motorway, but that's always been the case. It's no worse than it was when I started driving.

But the problem I do see getting worse is just the general standard of driving, it's bloody awful. So many people who just shouldn't be on the road, have no awareness of the rules of the road and/or willingness to give room or signal their intent. People on mobiles is just standard these days, always seeing it.
 
I think attitude is the problem with roads and nation. The amount of people incapable of judging themselves or worse, feel they don’t deserve judegement because they are peerless is the biggest issue I see. It’s most obvious on the road….and social media.

Entitlement is a disease and the sooner it’s eradicated the better.
 
Would be surprised if this will happen. What’s the point of something like a Porsche Tycan with upto 560 KW of power?

If it did go ahead then cars would just be electric boxes with comfy seats. I’ve also driven Class 1 for a few years and it’s so frustrating when everyone is restricted to 56MPH , you just struggle to overtake and end up driving in everyone’s blind spots chasing inches and feet to get a clear view ahead.
 
The irony is that often accidents aren't caused by speeding.

There are people on the road who just don't concentrate, have bad judgement etc

What can we do about people texting while driving, not checking blind spots, not braking in time because they're focused on something else?!
 
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