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5700G now, or wait for the 7000 series?

DiscoDave

DiscoDave

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Hi all,

I mainly use my desktop for working/coding and occasional video encoding + decoding. I also use Linux as a daily driver and therefore looking into AMD products for better support. Plus, I want to swap out my current old gaming rig (I don't game anymore) with something smaller, quieter and more power-efficient.

I hear the 5700G is a decent CPU that will fit my needs quite well, but also the 7000 series will feature a fairly reasonable integrated GPU.

Should I wait for the 7000 series and benefit from DDR5, new CPU architecture etc? AFAIK there's still no confirmed release date other than "Maybe September", I believe.

Thanks,
 
Zen 4 APUs won't likely be coming this year. We'll get the CPUs first, the rest will come next year.
 
DiscoDave said:
Hi all,

I mainly use my desktop for working/coding and occasional video encoding + decoding. I also use Linux as a daily driver and therefore looking into AMD products for better support. Plus, I want to swap out my current old gaming rig (I don't game anymore) with something smaller, quieter and more power-efficient.

I hear the 5700G is a decent CPU that will fit my needs quite well, but also the 7000 series will feature a fairly reasonable integrated GPU.

Should I wait for the 7000 series and benefit from DDR5, new CPU architecture etc? AFAIK there's still no confirmed release date other than "Maybe September", I believe.

Thanks,
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Lots of speculation there. Do you need something now?

I hear the 5700G is a decent CPU that will fit my needs quite well
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Then why wound't you go for it? there will always be a new CPU in the pipeline and you can always wait if you don't need something now.

Nobody really knows the performance of the 7000 series so we honestly can't advise you properly. Have you sent AMD a tweet to see what they have to say?
 
HACO said:
Zen 4 APUs won't likely be coming this year. We'll get the CPUs first, the rest will come next year.
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Correct, but the 7000 series will all feature an integrated GPU, therefore I don't necessarily need the next gen APU

JollyJamma said:
Lots of speculation there. Do you need something now?



Then why wound't you go for it? there will always be a new CPU in the pipeline and you can always wait if you don't need something now.

Nobody really knows the performance of the 7000 series so we honestly can't advise you properly. Have you sent AMD a tweet to see what they have to say?
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My current PC is becoming a bit unstable, it's not urgent, but It's something I've been looking at for a while
 
My current PC is becoming a bit unstable, it's not urgent, but It's something I've been looking at for a while
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I'd probably upgrade sooner rather than later if that's the case.

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I would wait the GPU in the 5700G is not great (Vega still I believe) and from what I have read the 7xxx APU are destined to get RDNA3 and its meant to be a big leap in on chip GPU's. Some talk of GTX 3060 type performance.
 
varkanoid said:
I would wait the GPU in the 5700G is not great (Vega still I believe) and from what I have read the 7xxx APU are destined to get RDNA3 and its meant to be a big leap in on chip GPU's. Some talk of GTX 3060 type performance.
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I highly doubt that you’ll get 3060 performance out of an iGPU.

Where are you reading this hugely speculative data?
 
JollyJamma said:
I highly doubt that you’ll get 3060 performance out of an iGPU.

Where are you reading this hugely speculative data?
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The highly reliable and definitely not click bait wccftech although I missed the "M" off the end if its true thats pretty good.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...end-up-being-as-fast-as-the-nvidia-rtx-3060m/

Based on the latest tweet from Greymon55, it looks like the integrated GPU featured on the Ryzen 7000 'Phoenix' will be a game-changer for laptops and mobility platforms. Recently, we have talked about how RDNA 3 on next-gen APUs can challenge the entry-level discrete graphics segment & it's looking to be the case with each passing day. In the tweet, the leaker states the possibility of AMD's Phoenix, the Ryzen 7000 APU lineup, featuring graphics performance on par with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060M
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varkanoid said:
I would wait the GPU in the 5700G is not great (Vega still I believe) and from what I have read the 7xxx APU are destined to get RDNA3 and its meant to be a big leap in on chip GPU's. Some talk of GTX 3060 type performance.
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Woah, that's way faster than what I heard. I heard that they'll be equivalent to a 1050 Ti, which is still a massive step forward. Their chart in the article for the fastest model, shows it as faster than a 6500 XT, so around a RX 590. Very hard to believe that, tbh, but 1050 Ti I would.
 
varkanoid said:
The highly reliable and definitely not click bait wccftech although I missed the "M" off the end if its true thats pretty good.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...end-up-being-as-fast-as-the-nvidia-rtx-3060m/
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Hmmmmm. Not convinced.

I also think that you can always wait for new tech to come out.

I also also think that the talk around RDNA 3 in that article covers mobile platforms and not iGPUs, as per this thread.

OP could just get an RX580 8gig second and and be done with it too. That would be faster than the 5700G.
 
varkanoid said:
I would wait the GPU in the 5700G is not great (Vega still I believe) and from what I have read the 7xxx APU are destined to get RDNA3 and its meant to be a big leap in on chip GPU's. Some talk of GTX 3060 type performance.
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It's not the same Vega that vomited all over discrete GPUs, it's a much more refined. Moot point though if the OP isn't gaming.

And also note that 7000 series APUs and 7000 series CPUs with integrated graphics are not the same thing. Given how teeny tiny the current Vega CUs are, I don't see any benefit for AMD to move away from them any time soon. They're perfect for getting integrated graphics into all desktop CPUs: insignificant die space, low power, decent performance for desktop use.
 
LePhuronn said:
It's not the same Vega that vomited all over discrete GPUs, it's a much more refined. Moot point though if the OP isn't gaming.

And also note that 7000 series APUs and 7000 series CPUs with integrated graphics are not the same thing. Given how teeny tiny the current Vega CUs are, I don't see any benefit for AMD to move away from them any time soon. They're perfect for getting integrated graphics into all desktop CPUs: insignificant die space, low power, decent performance for desktop use.
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Doesn't Vega lack some things that RDNA has (like AV1)?
 
Far more likely to Vega or RDNA2 for the mainstream 7000 series chips, whatever can be made cheapest - far better to just get *any* graphics integrated into the chip, in order to better go after the OEM/Office PC style markets, or avoid a competitors low end GPU being paired with an AMD processor just to get basic display output.

The majority of intel chips still have integrated graphics, and that can still be the deciding factor for some purchases (especially either compute related tasks where an add in graphics card is additional cost, or space constrained form factors, where it simply isn't viable or cost effective to add a discrete card).

Additionally, there is probably some value to having very low end integrated graphics, in that it means they largely don't have to try and compete/waste fab availability, producing low end parts e.g. where Nvidia are still selling things like the GT710 or GT1030, AMD haven't really offered a competitor for some time.

I'm sure there will still be APU specific parts that have better graphics capability.
 
Tetras said:
Doesn't Vega lack some things that RDNA has (like AV1)?
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I think so, but I also don't think it matters.

@Armageus has already covered what I was going to say whilst having a smoke :P but to expand on it somewhat, I think it will depend on how AMD approach the requirement for integrated graphics, and how that's differentiated from APUs.

Bulk office machines are the bread and butter of OEM sales, and AMD can't penetrate that market without having some kind of video out on their CPUs; if an AMD CPU paired with any old low-end dGPU purely for video output is more expensive than an Intel CPU alone, then OEMs will go for the latter. Same goes for tiny boxes like HP ProDesk. I've seen them with G-class AMD APUs but they're either more expensive for the same computational power, or substantially weaker for the same price than the Intel units. AMD solve this issue by slapping (let's say) 8 Vega CUs onto the new IO die, giving plenty of video power for driving office machines without messing around with a dGPU as well.

Plus, there's no additional R&D required: the current gen Vega is designed for TSMC 7nm, the Zen 4 IO die is either TSMC 7nm or TSMC 6nm, which is design-compatible with 7nm. I'd say it was a given that integrated graphics will be on the IO die, not the chiplets.

All of the fancy kit like new video codecs goes into the APUs because they, most likely, will replace the sub-$400 dGPU market.
 
It doesn't matter what core it has, AMD are unlikely to give it any balls, they have had loads of opportunity to raise the iGPU game but don't, it is unlikely they will next time, it will likely get the same performance in a lower power envelope.
 
sandys said:
It doesn't matter what core it has, AMD are unlikely to give it any balls, they have had loads of opportunity to raise the iGPU game but don't, it is unlikely they will next time, it will likely get the same performance in a lower power envelope.
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There's only so much you can improve igpus by though, whilst they still rely on slow external memory
 
sandys said:
AMD are unlikely to give it any balls, they have had loads of opportunity to raise the iGPU game but don't
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Despite every generation of Vega in the APUs improving over the last, of course.

And exactly how much performance uplift do you expect when the graphic portion has to share slow-ass system RAM with the CPU?
 
5700g is basically a 3xxx series chip with an APU on it. They nerfed it stupidly IMO.

If you want to game, then an APU really isn't adequate IMO. If you just have desktop stuff to do it will be OK. I have coded for years with 8 environments open in eclipse plus other stuff on lesser equipment without issue. RAM is the important part IMO.

If you ever swap to a dGPU you will then have a 3xxx cpu not a 5xxx. Just something to think about.

Unless you get a stella deal/price cut on the APU, I just don't think it is worth it tbh.

In the end, I was asking the same questions, and when I got a bonus I plumped for a 5800X for 250 bucks on discount (new cooler/more efficient version) and a buddy sold me a 2070 OC for 200 bucks.

Note... I am running the 5800x (B2 revision) and 2070OC on a micro 500w 80plus gold without issue. (2 ssds, 1hdd, 16gb ram and an artic cooling 240mm AIO). I am not suggesting the 2070 is for you as a lesser card seems more fitting with your needs, just giving you a heads up on power requirements are probably less than you think.
 
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