Poll: Will you Buy a Next Gen Graphics Card or a Present Gen Card?

[Twinz]

My 3080Ti is able to run my VR sim rig with settings that are almost indistinguishable from max settings in my favorite sims....in daylight racing. It's racing at night that brings my setup to It's knees and requires me to use potato settings. (And it looks noticeably more bland then)

I need a pretty big bump in graphics horsepower to hold 90fps at night with the same settings I can run in daytime racing. I think I need at least a 50% performance increase over my 3080Ti to make that jump.

I also live in Florida and already run a window-mount AC unit to keep the computer room cool without freezing my wife out of the rest of the house by cranking our central AC. My current PC is already about as much of a space heater as I care to run in the summer so, even though I have a 1000w PSU, I am not looking to buy a 600w GPU.

I am not optimistic that Nvidia will deliver what I'm looking for at any price point with the 4000 series. AMD seems like they are in a better position to meet my needs wants with their next gen cards, but even then, night time racing with high settings is a capability that would be "nice to have", not "OMG take my money!" exciting.

If the prices go crazy again, the money-to-happy ratio won't be there for me.

 

[GAC]

sorry I maybe hungover but am I being thick asf here? 5950x I thought was his cpu hahahaha. whoops

yeah, but they are gaming at 1440p-144hz according to their rig specs. so unless they want more than 144 and because it isnt using all the gpu they feel short changed, who knows. depends on game settings and if the game will ever run that fast and use 100% gpu. bit confused myself but yeah need more info

 

[Removed User 345456]

yeah, but they are gaming at 1440p-144hz according to their rig specs. so unless they want more than 144 and because it isnt using all the gpu they feel short changed, who knows. depends on game settings and if the game will ever run that fast and use 100% gpu. bit confused myself but yeah need more info

yeah it's just made me even more confused. I don't think a 5950x cpu is a bottleneck. if fackin best not be if im planning on getting a 5800x for my 3080 12gb lol

 

[Troezar]

sorry I maybe hungover but am I being thick asf here? 5950x I thought was his cpu hahahaha. whoops

You're not the only one that misread that

 

[Removed User 345456]

You're not the only one that misread that

so is it also an older gfx card then or have I literally lost the plot haha

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Combination of things really, I wanted some of the RT stuff cause I dabble with blender at times. Games less so, but nice to have I suppose.

Also the founders edition design with its pass through fan airflow actually suits the layout of my case much better which is an htpc style case where the air flows from left to right horizontally as you look at the front of it. The FE design fits that perfectly where as the normal cooler setups wouldn’t. The temps are better this way.

Plus at £649 it was in my mind an ok deal after selling the 1080ti I had.

Cool, makes sense.

I game at 4k 120Hz and if I can't hit 80+ FPS then I'm happy to drop to 1440p to get it. The most important things for me are 80+ frames and adaptive sync.

I owned a 3080FE since release and only sold it a couple of months ago. I moved to a 1080 as a stop gap until new cards release and I'm happy gaming with it at 1440p but I'm really missing adaptive sync on my CX48.

I don't miss RT or DLSS one bit, they just felt like gimmicks to me and I never even enabled them.

I'm looking at a 5700xt on the MM but the seller isn't being very responsive so I might pick up the 6800xt instead.

I'm starting to get the feeling that there will be issues with the next gen, whether that's price or hardware issues with power/heat.

 

[pete910]

so is it also an older gfx card then or have I literally lost the plot haha

His sig states he has a 5950 so I guess he does mean upgrade from that

 

[Removed User 345456]

Cool, makes sense.

I game at 4k 120Hz and if I can't hit 80+ FPS then I'm happy to drop to 1440p to get it. The most important things for me are 80+ frames and adaptive sync.

I owned a 3080FE since release and only sold it a couple of months ago. I moved to a 1080 as a stop gap until new cards release and I'm happy gaming with it at 1440p but I'm really missing adaptive sync on my CX48.

I don't miss RT or DLSS one bit, they just felt like gimmicks to me and I never even enabled them.

I'm looking at a 5700xt on the MM but the seller isn't being very responsive so I might pick up the 6800xt instead.

I'm starting to get the feeling that there will be issues with the next gen, whether that's price or hardware issues with power/heat.

same boat as me regarding next gen. could undervolt but I can't see a next gen being able to run off the electric a undervolted current gen can... and that is a big factor for me!

 

[TonyTurbo78]

why would you need to upgrade from a 5950x?

it's not good enough. So many games I play the GPU rarely gets used above 50% yet I'm not hitting 144hz. It's something I never understood either, but apparently a 5950x @ 5ghz isn't good enough as it's a bottleneck at 1440p. Annoying thing is look at my CPU usage and that rarely goes above 20%, its all a bit daft really.

I have two rigs, the other with a 5900x in that one and it's the same case scenario there.

It is game dependant obviously, thing like MSFS 2020 i'll see 98% GPU but a lot of the games I play GPU just plods along at <50% usage. It just feels like there is so much more in the tank yet it never gives it. Memory overclocked to 3800mhz also. The annoying thing is, my main games are racing sims, I thought running triple 1440p (7680x1440p) would be all on the GPU but in iRacing nope, GPU is hardly getting use. I just dont see the point in moving to 40series if things are this underwhelming on the 3090. It's a card I've been seriously unimpressed with.

 

[Purgatory]

Going to keep my current I think and just get a nice CPU upgrade to unleash the 3090 full potential. Fed up seeing only 50% usage in games when I'm not even pegged at frame limit.

My 5950x maxes out both my 3090 sli/nvlink setup in games that support mgpu. Something is up if you can't max out a single 3090, what resolution are you using ? Maybe better to invest in a higher resolution monitor for your setup if it is a low resolution panel.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

My 5950x maxes out both my 3090 sli/nvlink setup in games that support mgpu. Something is up if you can't max out a single 3090, what resolution are you using ? Maybe better to invest in a higher resolution monitor for your setup if it is a low resolution panel.

1440p.

Theres nothing wrong with the rig, it absolutely smashes synthetic benchmarks.

 

[Purgatory]

1440p.

Theres nothing wrong with the rig, it absolutely smashes synthetic benchmarks.

Try setting nvidia drivers power limits to max/performance and set windows power profile to max/performance too.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

Try setting nvidia drivers power limits to max/performance and set windows power profile to max/performance too.

Doesn't setting Windows power profile like that just peg the CPU at full clock speed at all times though, even when just browsing the internet an such?

This is the sort of thing I see a lot, taken in one of the most demanding areas of KCD. This is on my 5900X rig as that's the one I'm currently playing on for some Saturday chillout, the 5950x rig is my sim racing rig with triple 1440p.

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[Dirk Diggler]

it's not good enough. So many games I play the GPU rarely gets used above 50% yet I'm not hitting 144hz. It's something I never understood either, but apparently a 5950x @ 5ghz isn't good enough as it's a bottleneck at 1440p.

That's an issue with 3000 series GPUs, it's not the CPU at fault. You could confirm this by monitoring the CPU usage when the GPU is being held back; if it's not at 100% CPU utilisation then it's not a CPU issue.

Look at the screenshot you posted, the CPU is at 25%.

 

[Removed User 345456]

That's an issue with 3000 series GPUs, it's not the CPU at fault. You could confirm this by monitoring the CPU usage when the GPU is being held back; if it's not at 100% CPU utilisation then it's not a CPU issue.

Look at the screenshot you posted, the CPU is at 25%.

You beat me to it.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

That's an issue with 3000 series GPUs, it's not the CPU at fault. You could confirm this by monitoring the CPU usage when the GPU is being held back; if it's not at 100% CPU utilisation then it's not a CPU issue.

Look at the screenshot you posted, the CPU is at 25%.

Yup I know, I've said all along CPU usage is never pegged at 100% and always down around the 20% or 30% mark. That's why I could never and still can't understand why the 3090 never ever seems to hit my 144fps cap in games when its sat there at like 100fps with the GPU only sitting at 50% or 60% and the CPU is like <30%. I say again, hugely underwhelmed by the 3090. I was told in the CPU thread I posted here https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...bottleneck-for-a-3090.18954097/#post-35687724, that the 5950x and 5900x I use in my PC's, basically hasn't the architecture to really maximise the 3090 to it's full potential, there's more to it than just clock speed, or that's how I interpreted it anyway.

Educate me guys, always up for learning. I know a fair bit about building, overclocking etc, but the stuff deep down under the hood I'm very unsure of.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Educate me guys, always up for learning. I know a fair bit about building, overclocking etc, but the stuff deep down under the hood I'm very unsure of.

I can't tell you why it's like that, but if you check my post in the founders thread then you'll see that way back at release stage this was a known issue. The 3000 series excel as you step through the resolution cycles, so they're really a card suited to 4k as opposed to high refresh at lower resolutions.

I think it's an architectural restriction.

My post from the thread '30xx Series Founders Edition' https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/30xx-series-founders-edition.18900183/post-34039487

HBU also did a video on this 2 years ago...

 

[TonyTurbo78]

I can't tell you why it's like that, but if you check my post in the founders thread then you'll see that way back at release stage this was a known issue. The 3000 series excel as you step through the resolution cycles, so they're really a card suited to 4k as opposed to high refresh at lower resolutions.

I think it's an architectural restriction.

My post from the thread '30xx Series Founders Edition' https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/30xx-series-founders-edition.18900183/post-34039487

HBU also did a video on this 2 years ago...

Interesting, thanks for that.

So would running 2.25x DSR DL in NCP help get around this? Or because it's still scaling tech its not going to do much?

 

[HRL]

I don't miss RT or DLSS one bit, they just felt like gimmicks to me and I never even enabled them.

It’d be hard to miss something if you’ve not even bothered trying them!

I use RT and DLSS wherever it’s available and having then switched them off to see what the difference is, I’ve always been inclined to switch them back on and just deal with the lower FPS instead. Things always look better with RT enabled IMO.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

It’d be hard to miss something if you’ve not even bothered trying them!

I use RT and DLSS wherever it’s available and having then switched them off to see what the difference is, I’ve always been inclined to switch them back on and just deal with the lower FPS instead. Things always look better with RT enabled IMO.

I didn't mean that I didn't bother with them, I basically did what you did in reverse; I tried them and preferred the higher FPS as the IQ benefit just didn't seem to be a worthwhile trade.