New PC for Photography

Hi Craig_d1---Thanks for getting back to me. Appreciated...Sounds good.
I want the Gigabyte Z690 as it has ALL that I want. I use an awful lot of Hard drives here for photography Plus Backups.
The i7 12700K makes sense so I'll go for that. COOLER, is that the Arctic Liquid one ? OR any Liquid one?? Should I still buy the Extra Fans??
As for the Hard drives I need to think on that one.
 
RussD said:
I want the Gigabyte Z690 as it has ALL that I want. I use an awful lot of Hard drives here for photography Plus Backups.
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How many drives are we talking here, and what capacities? How old are the drives, oldest to newest, and how do you backup your data? Do you do it to another drive or to Blu-ray discs etc?

Some adaptation might be a better idea that forcing yourself down the idea that you need all of the HDD's in one place. Perhaps consider an external NAS type system, which will allow you more flexibility with your PC and another layer of redundancy, depending on how you store your data now.
 
RussD said:
Hi Craig_d1---Thanks for getting back to me. Appreciated...Sounds good.
I want the Gigabyte Z690 as it has ALL that I want. I use an awful lot of Hard drives here for photography Plus Backups.
The i7 12700K makes sense so I'll go for that. COOLER, is that the Arctic Liquid one ? OR any Liquid one?? Should I still buy the Extra Fans??
As for the Hard drives I need to think on that one.
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Morning
The arctic 360mm cooler is best bang for buck so to speak, as the rad is thicker than standard rads, so more cooling effect as more surface area for fins etc. Comes with 6 year warranty so should last the duration of this build also. Truthfully, most 360 rads will do the trick though, just get one with a good warranty. If it's performance and price and not hung up on looks, then the arctic is the one
Separately, been looking at the GTX 1660 Storm you have in there. It's not that much faster than the 1050ti you have at the moment and doubt it'll make much of and impact, the 12700k being the heavy hitter of the combo. If you're not happy you can just buy the gpu later and swap them. Simple to do, and wont impact OCuk ability to build as the 12700k has inbuild graphics so can still test system
One thing to remember for when OCuk build, you'll either have to pay for Win 10/11 license from them, or load it on when it get delivered, unless you can transfer your existing code (you'll have to ask them about that), or maybe they can load it up, and you put in code when it's delivered

regarding boards, I generally look at the vrm performance as want a board that runs cool so like hardware unbox for reviews, and gamernexus to a degree..and the gigabyte boards performed the worst for that in reviews below. The board you have selected had 9usb, 1 usb-c, 2.5 lan, hdmi and dp port, no wifi for £250 and runs at 60 degrees with 12700k...thats 2 degrees warmer than the MSI Pro Z690-A board which cost £169, which has 7usb, 1 usb-c, 2.5 lan, hdmi and DP port, so you're basically paying £80 for an extra 2 usb ports( you can buy a pci 4 usb port card for £12 if you need more)...if you want to pay that much I'd go Tomahawk, at least it has wifi 6 on top and a bios flashback button, and runs 7 degrees cooler on top as better vrm..having the wifi will prob add some value when selling in future too.


Going B660, the B660 Tomahawk has 8 usb, 1 usbc, wifi6, hdmi, dp port lan port for £189 also, and best performance of all b660 boards....all the boards mentioned have 6 sata ports too


so just be 100% on board...they'll all do the job, but as said, that gigabyte board is expensive for what you get
 
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Craig_d1 said:
Morning
The arctic 360mm cooler is best bang for buck so to speak, as the rad is thicker than standard rads, so more cooling effect as more surface area for fins etc. Comes with 6 year warranty so should last the duration of this build also. Truthfully, most 360 rads will do the trick though, just get one with a good warranty. If it's performance and price and not hung up on looks, then the arctic is the one
Separately, been looking at the GTX 1660 Storm you have in there. It's not that much faster than the 1050ti you have at the moment and doubt it'll make much of and impact, the 12700k being the heavy hitter of the combo. If you're not happy you can just buy the gpu later and swap them. Simple to do, and wont impact OCuk ability to build as the 12700k has inbuild graphics so can still test system
One thing to remember for when OCuk build, you'll either have to pay for Win 10/11 license from them, or load it on when it get delivered, unless you can transfer your existing code (you'll have to ask them about that), or maybe they can load it up, and you put in code when it's delivered

regarding boards, I generally look at the vrm performance as want a board that runs cool so like hardware unbox for reviews, and gamernexus to a degree..and the gigabyte boards performed the worst for that in reviews below. The board you have selected had 9usb, 1 usb-c, 2.5 lan, hdmi and dp port, no wifi for £250 and runs at 60 degrees with 12700k...thats 2 degrees warmer than the MSI Pro Z690-A board which cost £169, which has 7usb, 1 usb-c, 2.5 lan, hdmi and DP port, so you're basically paying £80 for an extra 2 usb ports( you can buy a pci 4 usb port card for £12 if you need more)...if you want to pay that much I'd go Tomahawk, at least it has wifi 6 on top and a bios flashback button, and runs 7 degrees cooler on top as better vrm..having the wifi will prob add some value when selling in future too.


Going B660, the B660 Tomahawk has 8 usb, 1 usbc, wifi6, hdmi, dp port lan port for £189 also, and best performance of all b660 boards....all the boards mentioned have 6 sata ports too


so just be 100% on board...they'll all do the job, but as said, that gigabyte board is expensive for what you get
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Thank You for taking the time to do this for me. Appreciated. I'm more confused after watching the videos. LOL. Was going to pay via monthly payments Until I saw that they charge an extra £1000 on top of what one pays. Scandalous is that. Yuk. I can pay in full but need to buy something else. Will have to THINK Hard on this. THANKS.
 
jijiji said:
As a newcomer to the world of photography, what's the best computer to get? After all, it doesn't make sense to buy a serious and powerful one right away?
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I suggest you start your own thread, with your budget, applications you plan to use (like photoshop, etc) and the typical work you're doing (e.g. if processing images at 4K, say so).
 
Some New Items (Changed) ONLY for Photography folks. BUT if you think I need something changing Please say So. The 1660 graphics is Good for my Photography as the1050Ti will stay in this PC.

1x MSI Pro Z690 A Wi-Fi DDR4 £219:99
1x Intel Core i7 12700KF 3.60KHz Alder Lake Socket LGA 1700 PCU £379:99
RAM-Patriot Viper Steel 32GB (2x16gb) DDR4 PC 4-25600C16 3200MHz £109:99
1X Palit GeForce GTX 1660 StormX 6144MB GDDR5 Graphics Card £199:99
1x Corsair RM Series RM 850W 80+ Gold Modular PSU 9020196_UK SKU:CA-24R-CS £77:99
1x PHanteks Eclipse P500 Air ATX Case Tempered Glass DRGB White Glacier £134:99
Jonsbo Angel Eyes TW1-360 RGB High Performance CPU Water Cooler RGB 360mm £89:99
WD Blue SN 570 1TB SSD NVME M2.2280 PCIe Gen 3 SSD £86:99
Phanteks SK 1400mm Black DRGB PWM Fan Triple Pack £39:99 + 1 more od same at £14:99 = £54:98

TOTAL:--£1,354:87p If my Maths is correct. If I get OCUK to build it for me then I have to add about £200 to this making it £1554:87.
OR-I could build it myself with a little help as my Eyesight is not as good as it used to be.

I Shall now leave it Up to You lot to see if there should be any changes. If You Think I should Stick with my Original Components PLEASE do say so.. THANK YOU for Putting Up with me.
 
I know it was suggested before, but I'd definitely get the K instead of the KF, for £10 it would be silly not to. If buying the K, I'd try it without the graphics card too, since it's really easy to buy and install it afterwards and the 1660 is pretty dated at this point. So, if the UHD 770 isn't enough you could buy a newer one when they're out.
 
Journey said:
How many drives are we talking here, and what capacities? How old are the drives, oldest to newest, and how do you backup your data? Do you do it to another drive or to Blu-ray discs etc?

Some adaptation might be a better idea that forcing yourself down the idea that you need all of the HDD's in one place. Perhaps consider an external NAS type system, which will allow you more flexibility with your PC and another layer of redundancy, depending on how you store your data now.
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4 Drives in my YOTTAMASTER 4x Bay. Only on for BACKUP for Photography when needed. To Start in this system 1x NVME plus 4TB Toshiba when I buy it.I Might transfer my 2 HDD 4TB from Old PC that I am using for Photography at moment. Hope you can Follow me on this. I also attach my External Seagate 4TB for to Back up other things to it. I Got a NAS but I find NAS is SLOW for backing up so I only keep certain things on it. I have Large Photos RAW--Tiff--JPG. using Photoshop CC--Lightroom CC--Nik--DX0 and a few more. THANKS
 
Tetras said:
I know it was suggested before, but I'd definitely get the K instead of the KF, for £10 it would be silly not to. If buying the K, I'd try it without the graphics card too, since it's really easy to buy and install it afterwards and the 1660 is pretty dated at this point. So, if the UHD 770 isn't enough you could buy a newer one when they're out.
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I Might buy the K--I don't know yet..I'm not fond of On board Graphics. Got them in my Last 3 builds including this one and NEVER used them.
 
RussD said:
I Might buy the K--I don't know yet..I'm not fond of On board Graphics. Got them in my Last 3 builds including this one and NEVER used them.
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It's a lot better than IGP used to be, I think you might be surprised and if it avoids buying a 3 year old graphics card with an outdated media engine, that is a plus in my book.
 
Tetras said:
It's a lot better than IGP used to be, I think you might be surprised and if it avoids buying a 3 year old graphics card with an outdated media engine, that is a plus in my book.
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OK Been reading too much I think LOL. Looks like I should buy the i7 12700K with on board graphics. Looks like it is pretty good for Photoshop & Lightroom. So I save £199:99 by not buying the gtx 1660 card. Instead I could buy TWO Crucial P2 CT 1000 P255D8 Internal ssd 2400MB/s 3D Nand NVME PCIe M2 at £70:98 each. What do you think on that ??
 
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OK Been reading too much I think LOL. Looks like I should buy the i7 12700KF with on board graphics. Looks like it is pretty good for Photoshop & Lightroom. So I save £199:99 by not buying the gtx 1660 card. Instead I could buy TWO Crucial P2 CT 1000 P255D8 Internal ssd 2400MB/s 3D Nand NVME PCIe M2 at £70:98 each. What do you think on that ??
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I do think it is worth trying (K by the way, KF has no graphics). Worst case, if you hate it, then you buy and install the card later, which is very easy to do.
 
Tetras said:
I do think it is worth trying (K by the way, KF has no graphics). Worst case, if you hate it, then you buy and install the card later, which is very easy to do.
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So True. i know what you mean. Alas the CPU can not do 3D or Painter or some other things in Photoshop. (not that I use them all of the time. Once in while) I shall think about it anyway THANK YOU.
 
sg0 said:
@RussD What Monitor do you have? Also what resolution are your images?
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I have a DELL 24" DELL U2412M (1920x1200@59Hz) FULLY Calibrated every 6 months with a Spyder. My images are in 300ppi aRGB 5184x3888 115MB or more. I Might buy a new monitor of same size. I also got a Samsung 22" New one must be at least calibrated to sRGB of 98 to 100% and aRGB at around 85% or more but under £250.
I use an Olympus MFT.
 
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I have a DELL 24" DELL U2412M (1920x1200@59Hz) FULLY Calibrated every 6 months with a Spyder. My images are in 300ppi aRGB 5184x3888 115MB or more. I Might buy a new monitor of same size. I also got a Samsung 22" New one must be at least calibrated to sRGB of 98 to 100% and aRGB at around 85% or more but under £250.
I use an Olympus MFT.
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My 2 cents is get a 12 gen i5, use your old gpu, get 16gigs 2x8of ram (could upgrade in a few years to 32 4x8 sticks if images get larger). Put money saved towards a p3 colour gamut (at least) monitor.

Do you print your images at home?
 
sg0 said:
My 2 cents is get a 12 gen i5, use your old gpu, get 16gigs 2x8of ram (could upgrade in a few years to 32 4x8 sticks if images get larger). Put money saved towards a p3 colour gamut (at least) monitor.

Do you print your images at home?
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OK quite a few years ago I built this PC I'm on now. Could not afford an i7 then so bought an i5. My friend bought an i7 with 32GB RAM I had 16GB. His was lots faster than mine. He also bought a Graphics card I used on board. I soon bought a card NVIDIA GeForce 650. Not so long ago I upgraded to 32GB Ram and a 1050Ti. All is in my Signature. I need this PC to use as a Stand by and Read Utube about how to do things a bit beyond me so I can do on my New PC. I normally use my Old Aldi Medion with 4GB Ram and a slow graphics card. Since installing Win 10 pro on it and with updates its slow as Molasses whilst this one with same Win10 pro is doing very well. I'm quite happy with this PC but I do need a new one and do NOT want to go backwards with an i5 unless it's as good as this i7-1200K/KF. I bought a New Olympus Lens Today so must watch my pennies. I not in a great hurry but I do need to know that what I have choosen is Good n Fast for my Photography. Programs to long to list LOL YES I DO Print at Home with 2x Canon Pixma 100s printers, 1x Epson P600, 1x old Epson 1500w. I'm in the Royal Photographic Society and 3 camera clubs so I enter Comps and do Prints. I'm 76 this year and I trying to Enjoy myself and forget about my pains. I don't want to look back in about a few months or a year and regret I did not buy what i should have. Again, I'm not going over a certain price. I might build it myself with a little help as I got mild Alzheimers. I'm an Old fart LOL. If I decide otherwise I'll phone up OCUK. My Only Concerns are, 1) The i7-12700K runs HOT, I'm not certain about Water Coolers as I know Nothing about them and always afraid of water in my PC. I have changed one or two things. 1x MSI Pro Z690 A Wifi DDR4--1x Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Modular PSU,--1x Jonsbo Angel eyes TW1-360 RGB High Performance CPU Water Cooler, 1x Crucial P2 CT1000 P255D8 1TB PCIe M2...I have a Windows 10 Pro and can update to Win 11 if and when I decide. I will buy a New Monitor later on once I have read about the new ones on TFT Central. If I can get another Dell like the one I got I will buy it as both will be matched pretty close on the calibration.
 
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