Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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In a gesture of good will, the Ukrainian Military destroyed yet more Russian hardware on Snake Island yesterday after it was abandoned; at least one Tornado-G 122mm multiple rocket launcher & 4 trucks with ammunition/fuel were destroyed by a Bayraktar TB-2 drone strike.
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Bayraktar back :cool:

Watch the video Ukraine Weapon tracker on Twitter
 
bingham67 said:
When you look at this map the amount of Russian units in the north east part is insane how does Ukraine repel that, or get a hold?
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A few points to take away from that, firstly should be obvious in as much as by concentrating such a large amount of their army in one area is allow Ukraine to counter attack elsewhere. Secondly we know that Russia has had to conscript men of fighting age in the DPR and LPR and press them into the front lines (often with no body armour or sometimes with bygone weapons) so whilst Ukraine is outnumbered the overall quality of units doing the fighting is mixed at best (some estimates have put the potential numbers of DPR and LPR conscripts at around d 20k to 30k). Lastly Ukraine is still mobilising it's army, at this point there using more and more 2nd file troops/reservists/national guard to plug gaps and in the background they are trying to raise some 700k to a 1m new troops but to train and arm that many men will take many, many months. Ultimately the plan is to try and fight Russian to a standstill and when Ukraine has the weapons it's asked for and the forces sufficiently trained it will go on a general offensive to drive Russia out.

As it stands although Russia is having some success it's a massive price in terms of manpower and equipment, without a general mobilsation it's questionable how much further they can go. There biggest trump card is their artillery, their effective with it and they have a lot of it, I'm not sure Ukraine even with NATO help will every be able to outgun Russia but from the recent videos on Twitter and Reddit etc it looks like Ukraine is trying to target the ammounition dumps and command posts which at the moment are within range of the new MLRS's systems they've been given. The only certainty is a lot more people will die before this war is over.
 
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~News from 17:40~
*Lukashenko, Without Providing Evidence, Says Ukraine Targeted Belarus With Missile Strikes Three Days Ago — BELTA
*Lukashenko: Belarus Intercepted All Missiles
*Lukashenko: Belarus Does Not Want War With Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-missile-strikes-by-ukraine-belta-2022-07-02/

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Freddie1980 said:
A few points to take away from that, firstly should be obvious in as much as by concentrating such a large amount of their army in one area is allow Ukraine to counter attack elsewhere. Secondly we know that Russia has had to conscript men of fighting age in the DPR and LPR and press them into the front lines (often with no body armour or sometimes with bygone weapons) so whilst Ukraine is outnumbered the overall quality of units doing the fighting is mixed at best (some estimates have put the potential numbers of DPR and LPR conscripts at around d 20k to 30k). Lastly Ukraine is still mobilising it's army, at this point there using more and more 2nd file troops/reservists/national guard to plug gaps and in the background they are trying to raise some 700k to a 1m new troops but to train and arm that many men will take many, many months. Ultimately the plan is to try and fight Russian to a standstill and when Ukraine has the weapons it's asked for and the forces sufficiently trained it will go on a general offensive to drive Russia out.

As it stands although Russia is having some success it's a massive price in terms of manpower and equipment, without a general mobilsation it's questionable how much further they can go. There biggest trump card is their artillery, their effective with it and they have a lot of it, I'm not sure Ukraine even with NATO help will every be able to outgun Russia but from the recent videos on Twitter and Reddit etc it looks like Ukraine is trying to target the ammounition dumps and command posts which at the moment are within range of the new MLRS's systems they've been given. The only certainty is a lot more people will die before this war is over.
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From what I've read, Ukrainians are more experienced, including reservists at the start of the conflict, as they've been dealing with the Donbas since 2014, they're also better trained to fight autonomously thanks to US, UK, and Canadian training. It also takes a minimum 3 months to get someone trained and fit enough to fight, any less and they're cannon fodder. Putin's insistence on calling this a "Special Operation" and not a war, ergo resisting mass mobilization, means Russia is 3 months behind the curve when fresh Ukrainians arrive.

Regarding artillery, while Russia has the advantage in sheer volume, they're no match for America's GLMRS which can target the source of Russian fire, return fire, and move before their rockets accurately arrive and hit their targets, all before Russians can react and outside of their range. Russian artillery like the Tornado-G has only 25%-30% the range of US systems, many lack satellite navigation (GLOSNOSS), have dysfunctional targeting computers, so employ optical sights which are imprecise so they rely on carpeting an area which expends munitions with no guarantee of hitting anything, and most Russian MLRS are also manually loaded which can take an hour. Ukraine received just 4 HIMARS from the US (with 4 more on the way), and in just a few days they've taken out several Russian ammunition depots and command centers. Michael Vickers, the former Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence at the Pentagon, estimates that 60 to 100 HIMARS supplied with munitions (an Herculean logistical problem) would grind down the Russian forces, including their thousands of pieces of artillery, to the point of catastrophic collapse. The fear in Washington may be whether Putin would then employ tactical nukes to avoid defeat.
 
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Well deepstatemap Lysychans'k is still under Ukrainian control (the map is drawn by people who are on the ground submitting details but I don't know how old the detail is) but that could be a mute point because looking at the heat sources and were Russia is pushing they are likely to isolate the city.

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On the flip side deepstate map does confirm what WarMonitor twitter post claimed earlier that a town in Kherson region has been liberated. Also the fighting in the east isn't one way, there is large 'glob' of heat sources in the separatist region, could be a concentrated hit of MLRS/HImars rockets.

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Freddie1980 said:
Well deepstatemap Lysychans'k is still under Ukrainian control (the map is drawn by people who are on the ground submitting details but I don't know how old the detail is) but that could be a mute point because looking at the heat sources and were Russia is pushing they are likely to isolate the city.
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Don't think that map is accurate - there is verified video that Russian forces have pushed two prongs into the centre though there are still dug in Ukrainian defenders in parts.


I guess it is fair to say they've chosen violence then and any hopes they might stop at the Donbas and/or the likely upcoming considerations for manpower and equipment if they don't go to a higher state of mobilisation might see them winding things down is diminishing.

I'm guessing we will see increasing attempts to bring in wider mobilisation incrementally.
 
dowie said:
(some other videos are a bit bloody
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Haven't really been following it but heard reports they machinegunned a crowd of 200 protestors or something :s

EDIT: People claiming those videos are dye used in the water cannons and not blood. No one seems to have a proper explanation.
 
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Rroff said:
Haven't really been following it but heard reports they machinegunned a crowd of 200 protestors or something :s

EDIT: People claiming those videos are dye used in the water cannons and not blood. No one seems to have a proper explanation.
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Could just be indelible dye to identify later.
 
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