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Gregvivi0401 said:
Usyk definitely but AJ not sure he lost to Andy Ruiz before and now 2nd time to Usyk.
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Lewis lost before, Tyson lost, Holyfield lost, Klitschko lost, Ali lost etc and ect. Losing doesn’t mean your rubbish, sometimes you can have an off night like AJ did with Ruiz and sometimes you can stylistically come up against a better fighter like AJ did with Usyk. None of that means Fury is guaranteed to beat AJ. Not saying he won’t but surely you need to actually prove it rather than just giving an opinion.

I agree though he at least needs to beat Usyk to go down as the best of this generation, no one will give him a hard time if he beats Usyk but doesn’t fight AJ but it’s a easy fight to make for a lot of money.
 
Doobedoo said:
It’s a lose lose fight for AJ though isn’t it. If he beats him he won’t get the credit for it and if he loses he’ll get slaughtered. Wilder had his chance, if I was AJ I’d let him beg for it.
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I see this different way Wilder lost to Fury, AJ lost to Usyk they are 2 former champion's let them fight and winner could have title shot again.
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
I see this different way Wilder lost to Fury, AJ lost to Usyk they are 2 former champion's let them fight and winner could have title shot again.
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But you don’t make those decisions. The WBC have already placed Wilder as no1 and has ordered the winner of Wilders fight with Helanius (yes some people might say who!) and the Winner of Ruiz and Ortiz (they lost to AJ and Wilder) as an eliminator for mandatory.

Regardless if AJ beats Wilder people will just say the same as they did when AJ beat Klitschko. Fury did it first and he’s never been the same. Wilder messed AJ about they would’ve already fought for all the belts. History would have already been made but Wilder turned it down.
 
Wilder, and his advisors, are idiots. They were offered 100m for 3 fights. One against Breazele and two against AJ for undisputed. He ducked AJ and went after Fury has he thought it would be an easier fight. Didn't work out too well.

I want AJ to have some easy learning fights. Like world top 15-30. Ones he will win to build his confidence up but also let him learn new things. He has to keep in mind that whilst Usyk was the better man, and likely always will be, he is a generational talent and hanging with him for 24 rounds should give AJ some confidence. With the performance he put in on Saturday he beats most other heavyweights.
 
Doobedoo said:
But you don’t make those decisions. The WBC have already placed Wilder as no1 and has ordered the winner of Wilders fight with Helanius (yes some people might say who!) and the Winner of Ruiz and Ortiz (they lost to AJ and Wilder) as an eliminator for mandatory.

Regardless if AJ beats Wilder people will just say the same as they did when AJ beat Klitschko. Fury did it first and he’s never been the same. Wilder messed AJ about they would’ve already fought for all the belts. History would have already been made but Wilder turned it down.
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That's the problems to many boxing organisation's and money demanding boxers we need to w8 long time for good fights like Pacman Vs Money cost so mutch but was mutch to late.
 
Junglist said:
Wilder, and his advisors, are idiots. They were offered 100m for 3 fights. One against Breazele and two against AJ for undisputed. He ducked AJ and went after Fury has he thought it would be an easier fight. Didn't work out too well.

I want AJ to have some easy learning fights. Like world top 15-30. Ones he will win to build his confidence up but also let him learn new things. He has to keep in mind that whilst Usyk was the better man, and likely always will be, he is a generational talent and hanging with him for 24 rounds should give AJ some confidence. With the performance he put in on Saturday he beats most other heavyweights.
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Usyk is good but he's being overhyped for me. Go watch the repeat of the wbss final against Briedis, a cruiserweight. That fight really could've gone either way. Briedis definitely landed the more hurtful shots.

I think it's an easy fight for Fury.
 
Doobedoo said:
In what way did Whyte nearly have AJ lol.
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To be fair, Whyte did have AJ rocked at one point but other than that one point, Whyte never looked in control. Was a brilliant fight for the British title though.
RossGReds said:
Usyk is good but he's being overhyped for me. Go watch the repeat of the wbss final against Briedis, a cruiserweight. That fight really could've gone either way. Briedis definitely landed the more hurtful shots.

I think it's an easy fight for Fury.
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I'll agree with you that Mairis Briedis did give him some trouble that night. I wouldn't call it a gift decision or say Breidis was robbed and that was clearly #1 and #2 of the division going at it.

I'm not sure if Usyk is being overhyped. If it's anyone, it's Fury...
Go and watch Fury vs Steve Cunningham, who is a career cruiserweight, and Fury vs Wallin who is a small mobile heavyweight. Both of those guys caused Fury issues (I'd say any fighter not named Fury and the ref would have called a stoppage due to the cut) and both are leagues bellow Usyk when it comes to skill.

Fury isn't stupid. He knows exactly what he is looking at in Usyk. If Fury genuinely believes that all Usyk is, is a blown up middle/cruiser weight and he is the man standing between himself and being undisputed why is he trying to price himself out of the fight. Then he'll just tell the public he doesn't see the point in fighting a cruiserweight and a fraction of the public will suck it up and give him credit for beating a man he wont get in the ring with.
 
Doobedoo said:
Yeah but when is rocked by a punch nearly beating him? We are talking about the same punch that knocked chisora out cold.
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Especially getting rocked by a punch at heavyweight. It just one of those things that happen in a fight. I'm actually of the opinion that AJ doesn't have a weak chin like people make out. That straight right he took from Wladamir takes most people out. You have to remember that he dropped to his knee to avoid the follow up that would've clearly finished him off.

Plus Whyte's left hook is a nasty, nasty punch. Remember when it looked like he killed Browne
 
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