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sigma said:
I guess he feared gassing out and then making headlines for getting KOd but I'd have liked AJ to put it on Usyk from round one (maybe not literally round one, but much earlier than round none). Easier said than done yeah but I think he was still too reserved and didn't use his size.
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I'll be accused of over simplifying this but why couldn't AJ have trained for more endurance. If he hadn't gassed out after round 9 he would have had a chance. Surely, it was worth sacrificing some power to build the stamina that would be need to live with Usyk. The stories of Usyk swimming 10km, riding 100km suggest that aerobic conditioning might be more of a priority for him.
 
Doobedoo said:
No I get it but watching Prince Naseem was something special. That’s who I wanted to be as a young kid, he was special but dedication meant he didn’t quite achieve what he could have, which is strange when you think what he did actually achieve. Only lost to Barrera after he lost interest. Tyson was another one that was just electric but the death of Cus d’amato put a holt to his career. He was never the same after.

Mayweather just genius level but Roy Jones belongs in the same bracket. He made James Toney look ordinary in his first fight at smw. He was untouchable no one could get near him, he was the best at mw and then smw, then lh and then decided I’ll move up to HW and win a world title there. He was special.
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Don't take what I mean to say they're not phenomnal though. I tend to watch Price highlights when I want to be hyped up. His showman ship is still unmatched.

I also don't want to call RJJ a gifted athlete as it downplays how much hard work he done but his athleticism was off the charts. Plus he could rap too!
 
Calpol said:
I'll be accused of over simplifying this but why couldn't AJ have trained for more endurance. If he hadn't gassed out after round 9 he would have had a chance. Surely, it was worth sacrificing some power to build the stamina that would be need to live with Usyk. The stories of Usyk swimming 10km, riding 100km suggest that aerobic conditioning might be more of a priority for him
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I agree although I guess he needs years of it to get to the required level and also AJ is a big guy, they're not know for their endurance at that size but having said that Fury seems to have endurance, although not the power that AJ does. AJ also didn't have much of an amateur career so doesn't have the grounding in that respect either. There's also genetics maybe playing a part, some people just don't have the endurance that others do.
 
Doobedoo said:
Maybe he defiantly has stamina issues and perhaps is mindful of how to gauge the 12 round distance.
It’s very hard to gauge with Usyk because from the outside it looks Aj just needs to go for it but it can’t be just as simple as that. Usyk is like Mayweather in the sense he doesn’t have knock out power but he hits hard enough to keep you honest and if you take him for granted he’ll make you pay for it.
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I guess my point was not to go the 12. KO or get KO'd because he was never going to win on points. Getting KOd wouldnt have been good for business though.
 
sigma said:
I guess my point was not to go the 12. KO or get KO'd because he was never going to win on points. Getting KOd wouldnt have been good for business though.
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Yeah but saying it is easier than doing it. How many people went to the ring against Mayweather with the intention of just roughing him up or landing that one punch. It’s easy to say I’ll do this but when someone is that good, doing it is never that easy. We’ll see just how easy Fury finds it because I have a feeling people are still underestimating how good Usyk really is.

 
In terms of some interesting videos. I'll always refer to Hatman.

This was a good listen

This one just released. Not yet listened to it but will do so now. Love the longer Hatman videos.


edit: Forgot to add one of my favourite documentaries
 
Doobedoo said:
Yeah but saying it is easier than doing it. How many people went to the ring against Mayweather with the intention of just roughing him up or landing that one punch. It’s easy to say I’ll do this but when someone is that good, doing it is never that easy. We’ll see just how easy Fury finds it because I have a feeling people are still underestimating how good Usyk really is.
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I hope time will tell and Fury will skip £500 mil demands.
 
Doobedoo said:
Yeah but saying it is easier than doing it. How many people went to the ring against Mayweather with the intention of just roughing him up or landing that one punch. It’s easy to say I’ll do this but when someone is that good, doing it is never that easy. We’ll see just how easy Fury finds it because I have a feeling people are still underestimating how good Usyk really is.
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I'm not saying it's easy. I don't think AJ even tried at approach though, I'll have to rewatch the fight but he threw very few combinations from what I recall. Clearly that was a game plan (not to go all out) and I'm hardly even an armchair expert but if I was him that's what I would have done, I can't see how else he would win.
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
I hope time will tell and Fury will skip £500 mil demands.
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Fury’s not getting £500 mil anymore than he’s ever going to fight AJ for free. He’ll get paid well if the Saudis want the fight but he has no real choice but to fight Usyk or he will forever be known as a duck.
 
sigma said:
I'm not saying it's easy. I don't think AJ even tried though, I'll have to rewatch the fight but he threw very few combinations from what I recall. Clearly that was a game plan (not to go all out) and I'm hardly even an armchair expert but if I was him that's what I would have done, I can't see how else he would win.
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I doubt AJ went into his biggest fight of his career and didn’t try. Infact most people have said the improvements were obvious it just wasn’t enough. I too was wanting more and I’m sure AJ wanted to give more but that’s how the fight panned out. Honestly I hope Fury is a strong favourite because I’m favouring Usyk on points. The only thing Fury can do is try to bully him but I’m not convinced it’ll be enough on its own.
 
I've edited my comment as I meant try as in try the approach of going all out KO or get KO'd.
Doobedoo said:
oubt AJ went into his biggest fight of his career and didn’t try. Infact most people have said the improvements were obvious it just wasn’t enough. I too was wanting more and I’m sure AJ wanted to give more but that’s how the fight panned out. Honestly I hope Fury is a strong favourite because I’m favouring Usyk on points. The only thing Fury can do is try to bully him but I’m not convinced it’ll be enough on its own.
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sigma said:
I've edited my comment as I meant try as in try the approach of going all out KO or get KO'd.
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I don’t know what you want people to say. It’s not a game you can’t just start button bashing to get a victory. Boxing is very complex especially at the elite level. AJ has made a career of knocking people out, he’s very good at it but that has never happened to Usyk and may never happen. Forget what fury says, he will not be steamrolling Usyk.
 
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