Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Being granted a visa is not an inalienable right anyway, giving one to someone is an act of tolerance from the outset and it can be taken away for no reason whatsoever whenever the state wishes to.

That said I think we should do everything we can to aid the brain drain so Russia continues to descend into an abyss.
 
Jokester said:
This guy gets it. (I hope he's being ironic!).
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Lmao. I'm sort of serious, depends of they've broken any law and if they have dual citizenship or are not German citizens to begin with. Any there who are on visas, deport for being unsavoury characters incompatible with German society, any who are dual citizens - deport if they've broken any law and if they like make it illegal to display russian symbols like they do for nazi symbols so future protests like this become illegal and once they have broken the law they can be deported - it works for Australia, for years now they've been deporting any dual citizens and visa holders who have broken the law
 
Minusorange said:
Everybody is okay with stopping Western things going into Russia, so why are people against Russian's being stopped from going into the West ? Stopping them from a holiday in Europe isn't going to make them want to kill all Europeans, if they want that, it was there already in their mindset
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I'm sure Ukrainians would be happy if Russians soldiers stopped going into Ukraine.
 
Minusorange said:
Everybody is okay with stopping Western things going into Russia, so why are people against Russian's being stopped from going into the West ? Stopping them from a holiday in Europe isn't going to make them want to kill all Europeans, if they want that, it was there already in their mindset
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I was asking about how much the poster is willing to hurt civilians until they turn, so I'm not sure if your post above which was quoting me is relevant to my post or maybe a mis-click?
 
ianh said:
I was asking about how much the poster is willing to hurt civilians until they turn, so I'm not sure if your post above which was quoting me is relevant to my post or maybe a mis-click?
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His hurt comment stemmed from banning visa's, which is a fairly rational thing to do, we've pretty much banned most trade with Russians so the next best step would be to ban travel with them, that would hurt them in the sense it deprives them of their luxuries, I don't think anybody is talking about physically hurting them because that would be war
 
Minusorange said:
His hurt comment stemmed from banning visa's, which is a fairly rational thing to do, we've pretty much banned most trade with Russians so the next best step would be to ban travel with them, that would hurt them in the sense it deprives them of their luxuries, I don't think anybody is talking about physically hurting them because that would be war
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Yep no one has suggested actually physically hurting people, some posters seem to be trying to twist words to that effect though.
 
dowie said:
Psychologically there is a huge difference here; Ukrainian pilots taking risks & fighting for the survival of their country vs Russian pilots risk averse knowing so many have been shot down and not really wanting to die for Putin... with comical results in this instance:


That guy was like "nope" screw that... :D
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Pilot with embarrassing case of premature ejection.
 
dowie said:
Psychologically there is a huge difference here; Ukrainian pilots taking risks & fighting for the survival of their country vs Russian pilots risk averse knowing so many have been shot down and not really wanting to die for Putin... with comical results in this instance:


That guy was like "nope" screw that... :D
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To be honest it doesn't sound that surprising depending on the situation with the plane. Maybe 1) the plane was out of flares or any active measures and 2) the plane is not capable of detecting how close an incoming missile is. And in that scenario a lock on could make a pilot just eject after a few seconds of the warning sound because he think there is an incoming missile.

But in movies, US planes are portrayed as being able to tell the pilot when a missile is inbound and how close it is, so if Russian planes do the same then it would be stupid to eject just for a lock on sound unless you also thought that the lock on was coming from very close by and you'd have no time to eject once the missile launches - in which case the Ukrainians should be close enough to go pickup the pilot because it means he was flying behind the Ukrainian front line
 
Grim5 said:
But in movies, US planes are portrayed as being able to tell the pilot when a missile is inbound and how close it is, so if Russian planes do the same then it would be stupid to eject just for a lock on sound unless you also thought that the lock on was coming from very close by and you'd have no time to eject once the missile launches - in which case the Ukrainians should be close enough to go pickup the pilot because it means he was flying behind the Ukrainian front line
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If it is anything like the Russian helis - about half of them have recent(ish) systems and the other half haven't been modernised since the 70s (or basically at all). One of the ones which malfunctioned and crash landed mostly intact was basically as it would have come off the production line at the end of the 60s.
 
Grim5 said:
To be honest it doesn't sound that surprising depending on the situation with the plane. Maybe 1) the plane was out of flares or any active measures and 2) the plane is not capable of detecting how close an incoming missile is. And in that scenario a lock on could make a pilot just eject after a few seconds of the warning sound because he think there is an incoming missile.

But in movies, US planes are portrayed as being able to tell the pilot when a missile is inbound and how close it is, so if Russian planes do the same then it would be stupid to eject just for a lock on sound unless you also thought that the lock on was coming from very close by and you'd have no time to eject once the missile launches - in which case the Ukrainians should be close enough to go pickup the pilot because it means he was flying behind the Ukrainian front line
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It depends on the type of lock/missile, most modern military aircraft can detect incoming RADAR, so they know when they are being locked on to and where the source is, so it is sometimes possible to know that a) its a missile because of its signature or how fast it is incoming and b) how close it is. If your aircraft is being constantly "pinged" then it knows something has locked on.
The other issue is that many ground based radar anti air missiles rely on communications from the ground station until terminal phase when it then switches over to its own detector, so if you were locked on to by a ground station you might not know the location of the actual missile until its "too late". The tweet does mention this type of system, so basically yeah the pilot was locked on to for long enough that he just noped out rather than risk being hit, not knowing the vehicle actually had no ammo.

IR type missiles, the ones you would launch flares for, are passive and not usually detected by your active radar, but there are other systems that can detect (but not so much track) incoming passive missiles. I'm not sure if/which Russian jets are modern enough to include this type of system.
 
US says its at least doubling HIMARS launcher production
They are also increasing the GMLRS 75km rocket ammunition production from 7500 per year to up to 14,000 per year

They seem to be hiring more for this, the factory where its all manufactured already increased its workforce from 600 to 1000 and is still likely to need to hire more it seem

 
Not seen it before but Ukraine claiming a 10.6km tank to tank kill using drone corrected fire - though I'm not sure the Russian tank was active - looks to me like it was parked up.
 
bris said:
My thinking is he has been severally weakened by losses in Ukrain and now knows his days are numbered so just wants out.

He has powerful enemies back home.
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Yup, when you quit the job you're done with all of it, the new guy takes over all the problems and blame. /s :)
 
That Russian pilot ejected deliberately so he would get an upgrade right ? After all, they're just using up the old stuff first and there's lots of shiny new stuff just sitting in warehouses ready.

Its just man maths. Who here can deny using it when it suits... :D
 
Thanks to all the help from other countries, the training program is expanding - Ukranian troops will now get 2 to 3 additional weeks of training and the volume of recruits that can be trained is increasing to 10s of thousands per 3 months.

The UKs original target was to train 10k troops every 90 days but it will be significantly more than that now

 
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