Jenson wants higher margins for his GPU's, here is how he's going to do it.

[humbug]

In the last investors call, Jenson (Nvidia CEO) laid out how he's going to maintain the higher margins on GPU's in the future, for us that means he intends to maintain the sort of prices we have seen over the last two years.

JayZ2Cents lays it out.

The reason the current out-going generation is staying around MSRP or even slightly higher is because Jenson wants us to become a custom to this pricing level, some my point out that the 3090Ti and one or two higher end GPU's are currently under MSRP, that's because those GPU's were released after Nvidia realised crypto miners would pay almost anything for those GPU's and the MSRP given to those GPU's reflected that.

He also wants to artificially constrain stock, this has two effects, one is the supply and demand problem that we all learned about the hard way, if inventory is low that artificially increases pricing, even if they are given a reasonable MSRP in reality they will cost more, so Nvidia can say they are not being greedy while at the same time rationing supply to push the margins up. that is the most important thing to realise here, simply put "fake MSRP's".

I'm sick of this now, Nvidia has been growing at an impressive rate over the last decade, becoming extremely wealthy and enjoying margins higher than anyone, higher even than Intel at their peak.
They want this gravy train to keep gathering speed, they want to keep increasing their wealth and margins, can't blame them for that, their job is to make investors ever more wealthy, they all want a bigger yacht.
However while this is understandable from that perspective, its not our job to like it, its not our job to pay for this.
Clearly Nvidia think they are in a position to make us pay for all this, well, they are not wrong, they are a monopoly and they know it, you will buy their products no matter what they cost, if not right away, eventually, because its your only option, right?

Intel are no different to Nvidia, they are not going to save us, we have to save ourselves, the power is with us collectivity, always has been, we have the power to put a stop to all this, its about time we used it.

NVIDIA laid out its plan to manipulate the market... Here's the proof...

NVIDIA just had its Q2 2022 Earnings call... and Jensen laid out his plan to manipulate the market back into higher prices... listen to him for yourself in t...

youtu.be

 

[robj20]

I've done my part and refuse to attend over £300 for a GPU.
Sticking with my 1660 for a while yet. In fact may ditch high end graphics on pc altogether and just make do with medium settings.

 

[lovelyhead]

Jayz2cents lol.

Nvidia can want all the money in the world. If people are too poor to pay it they won't and we have the mother of all recessions on the way.

 

[Frenzy]

The prices destroyed my interest in pc gaming, don't know if it's the same for anyone else. I think coupled with the lack of interesting games I just couldn't justify spending so much money to play a couple. I stopped visiting this forum for a long time too because it just reminded me of what was going on in the industry, pure greed.

 

[Daytrader]

Nvidia should be reported, this is almost the same as manipulation of accounts/markets, i think something will be done about this.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Past paying stupid money for GPUs, I'm sure there are many more in the same boat.

 

[Nexus18]

Oh look another "nvidia is bad" post/thread

Shock horror at a company worth billions wanting to gain more money.... If AMD had the monopoly on the gpu space, do you think they would be doing anything different? Again, none of these companies are your friends so stop getting so emotionally involved and worked up about their methods, you simply buy what fits your needs and budget best, be that nvidia or amd or better yet, go console, that way you send a real message.

The real ones to blame is the lack of competition, if amd had been more competitive over the past few launches or/and didn't have to focus on console supply, we would be seeing a far more competitive market. Again, in the UK, there was "zero" chance of getting any amd cards for msrp, where as with nvidia, whilst hard, you at least had a chance and a good chunk of people have got FE so the only "fake msrp" we had was for amd gpus.

Maybe AMD should also stop charging in the same bracket as nvidia too?

This says it all:

Take your pick, people being sheep/brainwashed or maybe they just value nvidia hardware or/and the feature set more?

It's like with this FSR 2.1 release, it's great that it is now on par with dlss but as a few pointed out on amd reddit, first "FSR 1 was fantastic and on par with dlss, dlss was dead from there on", then fsr 2 came out and apparently "dlss was dead and fsr 2 was on par with dlss" AND now with fsr 2.1, it turns out this one is actually "on par with dlss (which it is based on what I have seen so far) and now finally dlss is dead".... and people are posting things like "FSR 2.1 wins" (2-3 years later...), you then wonder why people point out the flaws with all this "underdog" support.....

 

[Tired9]

In the last investors call, Jenson (Nvidia CEO) laid out how he's going to maintain the higher margins on GPU's in the future, for us that means he intends to maintain the sort of prices we have seen over the last two years.

JayZ2Cents lays it out.

The reason the current out-going generation is staying around MSRP or even slightly higher is because Jenson wants us to become a custom to this pricing level, some my point out that the 3090Ti and one or two higher end GPU's are currently under MSRP, that's because those GPU's were released after Nvidia realised crypto miners would pay almost anything for those GPU's and the MSRP given to those GPU's reflected that.

He also wants to artificially constrain stock, this has two effects, one is the supply and demand problem that we all learned about the hard way, if inventory is low that artificially increases pricing, even if they are given a reasonable MSRP in reality they will cost more, so Nvidia can say they are not being greedy while at the same time rationing supply to push the margins up. that is the most important thing to realise here, simply put "fake MSRP's".

I'm sick of this now, Nvidia has been growing at an impressive rate over the last decade, becoming extremely wealthy and enjoying margins higher than anyone, higher even than Intel at their peak.
They want this gravy train to keep gathering speed, they want to keep increasing their wealth and margins, can't blame them for that, their job is to make investors ever more wealthy, they all want a bigger yacht.
However while this is understandable from that perspective, its not our job to like it, its not our job to pay for this.
Clearly Nvidia think they are in a position to make us pay for all this, well, they are not wrong, they are a monopoly and they know it, you will buy their products no matter what they cost, if not right away, eventually, because its your only option, right?

Intel are no different to Nvidia, they are not going to save us, we have to save ourselves, the power is with us collectivity, always has been, we have the power to put a stop to all this, its about time we used it.

NVIDIA laid out its plan to manipulate the market... Here's the proof...

NVIDIA just had its Q2 2022 Earnings call... and Jensen laid out his plan to manipulate the market back into higher prices... listen to him for yourself in t...

youtu.be

It's rather strange people invest so much energy into this when the direct issues is yourself, just control what you spend and STFU, if people did this we would have no problems regardless.
Most here are living in a fantasy world of luxury seeing it as a need and necessity rather than just that... disposable and meaningless. You can find meaning in it, but it is not your survival.

 

[Frenzy]

I think this was more about business practices rather than an Nvidia vs AMD debate. Like you said, it's business, but that's the problem. It isn't driven by increasing customer loyalty or bring innovation to the market anymore, it's more about increasing profits. I agree, consumers should take back control by not buying.

The thing that attracted me to Nvidia this time around was ray tracing and cuda cores.

Just saw tireds post. If people don't talk about it then nothing will change and we'll have the good old british attitude of keep your head down and carry on. I think your advice to "stfu" is wrong personally.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Nvidia should be reported, this is almost the same as manipulation of accounts/markets, i think something will be done about this.

They already failed to acquire ARM, that should be an indicator of this in itself.

If people don't talk about it then nothing will change and we'll have the good old british attitude of keep your head down and carry on. I think your advice to "stfu" is wrong personally.

I seen old debunker has thumbed it up though.

 

[Tired9]

I think this was more about business practices rather than an Nvidia vs AMD debate. Like you said, it's business, but that's the problem. It isn't driven by increasing customer loyalty or bring innovation to the market anymore, it's more about increasing profits. I agree, consumers should take back control by not buying.

The thing that attracted me to Nvidia this time around was ray tracing and cuda cores.

Just saw tireds post. If people don't talk about it then nothing will change and we'll have the good old british attitude of keep your head down and carry on. I think your advice to "stfu" is wrong personally.

Nvidia is not to blame or AMD or Intel LOL they are a business, maybe learn business, I dunno educate yourself on laws too.
The lack of self control is blamed on the company, forming this projection that X company is bad, it's odd the OP left AMD out, must not be the time. It's hilarious how none of you seem to understand how competition works either, more marketshare = more power and a higher standing, sure you could say also a higher hill to fall from, sure, but they deliver solid products. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing and your tiny little voice means nothing, control yourself and all will be good.

Again it is up to you, blaming the company just shows how little knowledge you have, yeah X company wants profit.. well done, you understand basics. Good luck keeping a business afloat with the opposite.

 

[Frenzy]

Nvidia is not to blame or AMD or Intel LOL they are a business, maybe learn business, I dunno educate yourself on laws too.
The lack of self control is blamed on the company, forming this projection that X company is bad, it's odd the OP left AMD out, must not be the time. It's hilarious how none of you seem to understand how competition works either, more marketshare = more power and a higher standing, sure you could say also a higher hill to fall from, sure, but they deliver solid products.

Again it is up to you, blaming the company just shows how little knowledge you have, yeah X company wants profit.. well done, you understand basics. Good luck keeping a business afloat with the opposite.

I don't think you read my post, or comprehended it correctly but that first sentence came across as pretty aggressive and you seem very invested in your view point.
edit: the whole post is pretty poor actually, oh well.

 

[Tired9]

I don't think you read my post, or comprehended it correctly but that first sentence came across as pretty aggressive and you seem very invested in your view point.

I am seeing it as "Poor me" vs "Big company".
And the underlying deeper reason is power levels, you guys want to be right, you want some sort of power, you fixate on the external to validate yourselves rather than controlling yourselves, so you gloss over the facts of what a company is and the basics of keeping a company up and successful. Rather than blame the people, no lets destroy the company so nobody gets any.

It's a very very complex version of what spiteful children do when they can't get their own way.

Thing is, no one said you had to buy these things. Especially things that are not needed.

 

[Frenzy]

I haven't bought them, you can see that from my signature. It's a very real issue for businesses right now. Business has always been about profit, completely agree with that. It's the fact they now disregard everything else to attain an increase in profit. You don't seem to understand that point though, I'm not going to argue it any further as I don't want the discussion to devolve into something childish.

 

[Nexus18]

I hope for hums sake, amd don't release rdna 3 in the same price bracket as 40xx as we shouldn't be buying either then

I think this was more about business practices rather than an Nvidia vs AMD debate. Like you said, it's business, but that's the problem. It isn't driven by increasing customer loyalty or bring innovation to the market anymore, it's more about increasing profits. I agree, consumers should take back control by not buying.

The thing that attracted me to Nvidia this time around was ray tracing and cuda cores.

Just saw tireds post. If people don't talk about it then nothing will change and we'll have the good old british attitude of keep your head down and carry on. I think your advice to "stfu" is wrong personally.

AMD are no different so it's silly to make a thread on "nvidia bad" when amd are just as bad i.e. they decided they were also a premium brand therefore started charging in the same bracket as nvidia even though, arguably they don't/didn't have the hardware and/or feature set to deserve the same premium. Nvidia are driving innovation in many ways such as you mentioned with ray tracing (it is and will be the biggest leap in visuals we have had in a long time and completely transforms developers workflow for the better), dlss amongst other feature sets, this is why amd struggle to gain back "mindshare" as they follow what nvidia do several months or years later, no one cares about who comes second, they care about who comes first, obviously a very different market but I thought the film ford vs Ferrari was quite good at explaining the perception of those companies and peoples mindset on those companies and why that is.

Maybe we should create a thread on how amd have the monopoly on the console market?

 

[Tired9]

I haven't bought them, you can see that from my signature. It's a very real issue for businesses right now. Business has always been about profit, completely agree with that. It's the fact they now disregard everything else to attain an increase in profit. You don't seem to understand that point though, I'm not going to argue it any further as I don't want the discussion to devolve into something childish.

Where is the fake MSRP's?

Nvidia themselves are not AIB's.

There was a reason why they were so high.

Nvidia can prime their MSRP as whatever they want to FOR THEIR cards, the AIB's, it is at their own discretion.

PNY could literally price a 3080 at 2k and it is completely legal to do so, you are the stupid person if you buy it. Value is just that, subjective, some people put in no research, some people see a high price and that is their very basic way of evaluating value of a product.
This works in relationships too.

 

[Nexus18]

Where is the fake MSRP's?

Nvidia themselves are not AIB's.

There was a reason why they were so high.

Nvidia can prime their MSRP as whatever they want to FOR THEIR cards, the AIB's, it is at their own discretion.

It's the same with all these people who say "nvidia" sell direct to miners, perhaps this has changed? But anytime you see all these mining farms, it was AIB models in the rigs, not FE, same way AIBs and re/e tailers have been caught with selling to miners in bulk but afaik, not "nvidia" themselves?

 

[Frenzy]

The MSI news of 20GB cards was interesting. I agree AIBs did take the pee on this occasion for sure.

 

[Tired9]

It's the same with all these people who say "nvidia" sell direct to miners, perhaps this has changed? But anytime you see all these mining farms, it was AIB models in the rigs, not FE, same way AIBs and re/e tailers have been caught with selling to miners in bulk but afaik, not "nvidia" themselves?

The same thing on company X vs Y ethics, when calculated risks apply.
Let's say for example it is cheaper to go away on holiday in the time kids are at school, you are fined 60 pounds per child.

If you fly now it is 700 pounds cheaper, the only issue is the fine. You weigh them and find that the holiday is the better of the two and doable since there is no real repercussion and you are still saving.
You could also weigh in the time the kids in that week may miss out on education, you could fill in the gap with educating them yourself or perhaps assessing where they are in terms of education vs their peers. You could also say that with the time we have been through a good holiday may make it easier on us for the future. Good memories help foster a positive future.


All companies have done this, shady tactics but knew they would gain from it and just have some naysayers to tread on them, those that don't understand the larger picture.

The parent may be seen as a bad parent and in some eyes they saw the path they took and understood them.

 

[speeduk]

I have solar and use the kettle like 7 times a day (from the grid) and my electric company wants me to pay £300 a month. You think I'm gonna have any cash left to buy any gpu for the next 10 years?