Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Hades said:
Yes I feel sorry for these guys too. They aren't signing up to fight for money. They have been conscripted, most likely against their will, without proper training and probably without decent weapons, to fight a very motivated, battle hardened and better supplied army.
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This could play to Russian strategy- when you throw these guys into battle with no shelter, no food and no winter clothes, what do you think they will do? They will commit war crimes against civilians which is what Russian probably wants
 
Hades said:
Yes I feel sorry for these guys too. They aren't signing up to fight for money. They have been conscripted, most likely against their will, without proper training and probably without decent weapons, to fight a very motivated, battle hardened and better supplied army.
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I agree to an extent. Where I’m less sympathetic is down to just how much popular support Putin has enjoyed in Russia for so long. A sticky end was always likely outcome. Chose your leaders carefully,
 
National security advisor Jake Sullivan appearing on NBC today was again asked what would happen if Russia used a nuclear weapon in Ukraine - his response:

"Privately we have been communicating directly with the Russians and we've protected these communications. We have told them there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia, we have been very clear and emphatic that the United States and its Allies will respond decisively, so they are well aware of what awaits them if they go down this road"


 
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Minstadave said:
And make sure you can choose your next one when you choose, not when your current one chooses.
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Agreed. Losing that prerogative was alway on the cards with Putin. The Russian people were suckered with all the strong leader BS, so to that extent they have what they deserve.
 
Minusorange said:
From playing many FPS they have a certain range they need to fly before being armed
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Yeap, the fuse is armed by the centrifugal force of the round spinning and it takes a certain number of rotations to arm, usually equivalent to a minimum of around 10m for a typical Russian GP-25 UGL fired HE grenade like the VOG-25 etc. However, as something has obviously gone badly wrong it's always the best idea to treat anything like that as "Live" and a therefore threat and so treat it accordingly, people live longer when they do that :)
 
Stretch said:
I agree to an extent. Where I’m less sympathetic is down to just how much popular support Putin has enjoyed in Russia for so long. A sticky end was always likely outcome. Chose your leaders carefully,
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You realise there hasn't been much of a choice?

Any opposition usually ends up falling out of a window, being poisoned, or ending up in jail (navalny the poor sod managed to get a combination of two of these...)
 
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Stretch said:
Without derailing the thread too much, it’s widely agreed that the effects of the nuclear exchange would be felt far beyond their direct blast radius or even fallout zones.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41...odern would would cease to exist overnight.
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In theory a single colbalt enriched nuclear weapon is enough to make the entire planet uninhabitable, assuming radiation would be dispersed evenly, it wont be, but probably one will render an entire continent uninhabitable.

I mean if i am elon musk i would build a "mars habitat", i.e. a completely sealed, self sustaining habitat, protected from radiation, it works on mars sure, also it works in nuclear war.
 
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Stretch said:
Without derailing the thread too much, it’s widely agreed that the effects of the nuclear exchange would be felt far beyond their direct blast radius or even fallout zones.

www.nature.com

How a small nuclear war would transform the entire planet

As geopolitical tensions rise in nuclear-armed states, scientists are modelling the global impact of nuclear war.
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There lots of other factors too. The idea that directly unaffected areas could carry as they were or even benefit isn’t at all credible. The modern would would cease to exist overnight.
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Yarp except for subsistence farmers living well outside of any blast or fallout zone a lot of what makes modern life work would be affected/gone.

Even if your reasonably modern (say early 20th century) farm was in a survival zone the chances are that you'd run into issues with maintaining your equipment, thus being able to actually farm with enough left over for anyone else as even farms at the start of WW1 needed a lot of infrastructure to work to support the towns that made the other materials (and many places don't have the sort of "old" infrastructure that allowed for pre mechanised farming any more, we don't have the cart horses, the bullocks, or the blacksmiths, farriers and the like that could make and look after the appropriate tools).
People forget exactly how hard it is to get a food supply without modern technology (everything from pest/weed control to harvesting and transport), let alone the likes of the medicines etc that are needed, even clothing goes from something that is relatively easy to get and repair to something that is hard to replace fairly quickly (traditionally one of the major tasks as simply making clothing, often involving entire families working* full time to turn out the materials needed).

Covid and the effects it had on supply chains were bad, and that was with the infrastructure in place just the transport affected in many instances, once nukes start to be used the same centres of production for civilian stuff tend to be well within the range of nukes aimed at important military sites, not to mention pretty much every port (sea and air) capable of handling cargo is at the minimum a secondary target because of the military and strategic importance of them.


*Weaving and spinning yarn wasn't just something done by specialists, it was done to some degree in pretty much every village if not every farm because it was so vital, and could be done even in winter.
 
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Kill_Phil said:
You realise there hasn't been much of a choice?

Any opposition usually ends up falling out of a window, being poisoned, or ending up in jail (navalny the poor sod managed to get a combination of two of these...)
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There was a choice earlier on.
 
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Grim5 said:
National security advisor Jake Sullivan appearing on NBC today was again asked what would happen if Russia used a nuclear weapon in Ukraine - his response:

"Privately we have been communicating directly with the Russians and we've protected these communications. We have told them there will be catastrophic consequences for Russia, we have been very clear and emphatic that the United States and its Allies will respond decisively, so they are well aware of what awaits them if they go down this road"


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The fact that US government officials are openly talking on the news about what ifs in regards to nuclear weapons just makes you realise how close we must actually be to **** hitting the fan
Malevolence said:
You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Russian does actually have a stockpile of WWII era FAB-5000s lying about somewhere. Although I wouldn't like to be the ordnance handler told to fetch them from the bunker.
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I wonder if they added an extra 0 by accident and meant the FAB-500 that are still used
 
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There was a truck carrying FAB-500s linked to recently. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin's retreat to one of his villas/lodges isn't to contemplate some kind of escalation - it is how these kind of leaders tend to act.
 
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