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Mike 702

Mike 702

Mike 702

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Long time lurker and sometime contributor here, I have some knowledge but not that much really. I am comfortable in building my own pc, have built my last few myself.

I am looking to build a new pc. I will be donating my current pc to my son as he needs a dedicated pc now for his school work etc. so need everything apart from monitors.

I like to buy decent, with the hope that it lasts a decent amount of time.

I have a few things that I have decided on already.

Case I want a 011 Dymanic Evo and want to have a water-cooled system. I have always wanted one, mostly just for the look in truth but so be it!

I do some sim racing and have a sim rig with a current quad monitor setup @1440 and also like flight sim and other games - although a bit too old these days for FPS, reactions not what they once were - so I don't need crazy FPS, but my current system on triple monitors struggled on MSFS. I have a 5600x and a 1080-ti at present. Apart from that I still do some infrequent work, I was a day trader for several years, now I do crunch a fair amount of data, but really don't think anything I do will cause an issues with most modern CPUs.

Cost is not so much of an issue, but don't want to waste money.

I think a previous gen AMD might be the way to go, especially from what I have seen on the benchmarks the 5800X3D seems to still be great for gaming. I think that may well be good for several years still and I do like the appeal of the cheaper AM4 boards and the cheaper DDR4 memory - but maybe I have this wrong and AM5 is the way to go?

Watercooled seems to be a minefield, I read a lot on this but not much clearer. Can you get a kit that works well, or do you need to bend all the pipes yourself? Also the tank etc seems to be a minefield of options etc. so any help appreciated.

Any help overall would be appreciated. I am not brand loyal so open to all suggestions.

Thanks in advance.
 
I have this so far, need cooling

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,672.62 (includes delivery: £14.70)​



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£270 for a motherboard puts tou in the same price range as AM5 and the 7600x is slightly faster than the 5800x3d. The only diffrence is ddr5 cost which start from £200 so it mite be wiser to go AM5 unless you save money buying cheaper components on AM4 .

Early adopters of hardware always pay a premium .

Once you decide mite be worth opening a thread in the watercooling section of the forum. Unless your getting an aio.

Which You will you be getting?
 
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Your thinking on the electronic side of things is sound and the 5800X 3D is a perfectly acceptable way to go imo. There are many good options so hard to go that far wrong. You have chosen some parts that you can save money on and for heavens sake if you are going for DDR4 get 32gb.

Your issues will come from the watercooling. I did my first custom loop in an O11 last year and it is a real challenge. There is an endless selection of choices and if I was you I would open a thread in watercooling section and post a pic of the type of build you would want to emulate and then people can advise.
 
mickyflinn said:
£270 for a motherboard puts tou in the same price range as AM5 and the 7600x is slightly faster than the 5800x3d. The only diffrence is ddr5 cost which start from £200 so it mite be wiser to go AM5 unless you save money buying cheaper components on AM4 .

Early adopters of hardware always pay a premium .

Once you decide mite be worth opening a thread in the watercooling section of the forum. Unless your getting an aio.

Which You will you be getting?
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Thanks, looking for proper water cooling solution, not an AIO.
 
Haz123 said:
Your thinking on the electronic side of things is sound and the 5800X 3D is a perfectly acceptable way to go imo. There are many good options so hard to go that far wrong. You have chosen some parts that you can save money on and for heavens sake if you are going for DDR4 get 32gb.

Your issues will come from the watercooling. I did my first custom loop in an O11 last year and it is a real challenge. There is an endless selection of choices and if I was you I would open a thread in watercooling section and post a pic of the type of build you would want to emulate and then people can advise.
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Thanks, it was 32GB - I had 4 times 8GB - maybe 2 times 16GB is better?
 
Oops you are right , i can see the 2x at the start now. Swings and roundabouts with 2x16 and 4x8, if you are going for extreme speeds i.e. 4000mhz DDR4 then you would want to go for 2x16 but for lower speeds 4x8 works. 5800X 3D is not as sensitive to memory as other Ryzen 3 cpus , it has the huge 3D cache and it works really well even with average speed DDR4.

Looks, if you are going for a full WC setup then I would say go for what you like the look of. I have 4 sticks of 3200mhz in my machine because I wanted all slots populated. With some brands of ram you can get blanks that complete the look. Do you now see what I mean about the endless amounts of choices you will have to make ?
 
MSFS is extremely single-thread and cache bound. the 5800x3d is an excellent choice and AM4 is the best value platform currently
though i would suggest that you don't overspend on dead-as-a-dodo platforms
AM4 and ddr4 are now both technically obsolete with zero further upgrade paths except for buying new components...that's not to say they aren't good as they are still a very valid choice, but only with the right components chosen...
 
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personally i'd ditch the o11d evo and go for an o11 air mini instead, with a matx board
the o11 air mini will still house a beefy custom loop whilst being smaller and cheaper
the matx board means you can house it right in the middle and use the upper and lower portions of the case for a 280mm rad up top and 240mm rad below

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,340.09 (includes delivery: £13.20)​

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Mike 702 said:
Thanks, looking for proper water cooling solution, not an AIO.
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for custom cooling you will need to decide which pump to use first
d5 pumps are larger and have less head pressure, but are quiet
ddc pumps are smaller, have better pressure but are (relatively) noisier than d5

then choose what kind of reservoir you want, whether you want it coupled with the pump or separate

you will then need to decide on which water block and radiator thickness to use
and also pick fans that will satisfy your need for rgb bling-bling whilst providing adequate static pressure to drive air through the radiators

and tube diameter and fittings

once its all planned, you will still need to fit it and hopefully will all fit if you calculated the runs and dimensions correctly
and hopefully doesn't leak on a test run lol
and then maintenance every so often (6-9 months)

i've used custom cooling on my initial computers back in the day only because i had the time to spare
would i recommend it? yes if you firstly have the time (and secondly, money)
nowadays, i personally would just stick to using an aio as it's something to set and forget and cba anymore with custom loops lol
 
@tamzzy Thanks for the all the help, is much appreciated. I will think it over and do some more research. Maybe an AIO is a better option as I don't want to hate the pc before I even start to use it if it gives me a lot of pain setting it up initially!
 
@Mike 702 yeah, don't expect to use your new computer for the first few days

inevitably you will have miscalculated on some of the dimensions or ordered not enough fittings or wrong sized/angle fittings and will have to wait for the replacements to arrive
and then the dreaded first test run with distilled water where it may or may not leak lol
and then to drain the distilled water from loop to put in the actual coolant
 
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