Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Gypo said:
Rubizhne, Lysychansk, Kreminna and Sievierodonetsk are being softened up by UKR artillery this morning.

Really have come to love the people of Ukraine, not just for their fight and spirit in the war, but little things like this

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In case it isn't known to anyone here, in Russia there are MANY street dogs. You can buy things like Dog fur hats. ("Sabaka" or something similar as my wife used to tell me - I'm sure I'm slaughtering the word). So this is a little bit of a show of how Ukrainians have compassion for animals where Russians see little value in them. (or at least that's how it used to be).
 
NinjaCool said:
Denmark, Germany and Norway will finance the production of 16 new 155-mm self-propelled guns Zuzana-2 worth 92 million euros in Slovakia which will then go to Ukraine.
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Good grief. This is like something I designed as a child in my drawings lol.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I haven't posted any real opinions on the war though, apart from saying some seem to relish the violence against fellow man, and that I feel having been immersed in computer war games for a long time, has made some young people perhaps somewhat divorced from the realities of war. I think I also said I would be interested to see if the armchair generals here would be as keen to participate on the real life battlefields as they are from the comfort of their homes via Twitter and their PC's.
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I rarely find myself agreeing with you Chris. But I absolutely agree with you here.
 
Refugees. We can complain (or not), but the reality is, they are in a much worse situation than any of us are. Perhaps 'unsustainable' really means that we don't have enough people with compassion in our society. I would happily home a UKR family if I were still in England. If any were here in the USA, I would give them a place to stay.
 
Scougar said:
Refugees. We can complain (or not), but the reality is, they are in a much worse situation than any of us are. Perhaps 'unsustainable' really means that we don't have enough people with compassion in our society. I would happily home a UKR family if I were still in England. If any were here in the USA, I would give them a place to stay.
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I'm sure some could make their way to the US, have you made your offer in the right places? I wonder if Ed Balls and his wife Yvette Cooper have any staying with them yet, they were saying months ago that "the system" had let them down finding any Ukrainians to come and stay with them.

They declared open house for Syrian refugees in 2016 but strangely still haven't managed to tempt any into their homes... Nick Ferrari's interview with her on LBC was hilarious.

Perhaps if refugees are needed they could stand on the beach at Dover and hand about 1100 flyers out each day, there's got to be a taker there somewhere, surely? ;)
 
Chris Wilson said:
I'm sure some could make their way to the US, have you made your offer in the right places? I wonder if Ed Balls and his wife Yvette Cooper have any staying with them yet, they were saying months ago that "the system" had let them down finding any Ukrainians to come and stay with them.

They declared open house for Syrian refugees in 2016 but strangely still haven't managed to tempt any into their homes... Nick Ferrari's interview with her on LBC was hilarious.

Perhaps if refugees are needed they could stand on the beach at Dover and hand about 1100 flyers out each day, there's got to be a taker there somewhere, surely? ;)
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Empathy is an emotion that just passes you by isn't it.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I'm sure some could make their way to the US, have you made your offer in the right places? I wonder if Ed Balls and his wife Yvette Cooper have any staying with them yet, they were saying months ago that "the system" had let them down finding any Ukrainians to come and stay with them.

They declared open house for Syrian refugees in 2016 but strangely still haven't managed to tempt any into their homes... Nick Ferrari's interview with her on LBC was hilarious.

Perhaps if refugees are needed they could stand on the beach at Dover and hand about 1100 flyers out each day, there's got to be a taker there somewhere, surely? ;)
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Would you really have said the same about Jews fleeing the Nazi's in WW2? You can't really think like this can you, as that would make you quite a disgusting person. Or are you just happily trolling to wind people up about innocent people fleeing war and death?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Empathy is an emotion that just passes you by isn't it.
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Not at all, but it was painfully obvious the majority of families in the UK were going to find the quantity of refugees allowed in, and the length of time which they'd want to stay was ridiculous. Now they're here and the councils have a homeless family situation developing on their hands, with the taxpayers no doubt footing the bill, like it or not. Another fine mess has been self inflicted, and it's likely to become far worse as winter draws in. But the do gooders have no conception of "down the road in time", only specious promises in the heat of the moment. I reckon most of the ones here will never go back.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Not at all, but it was painfully obvious the majority of families in the UK were going to find the quantity of refugees allowed in, and the length of time which they'd want to stay was ridiculous. Now they're here and the councils have a homeless family situation developing on their hands, with the taxpayers no doubt footing the bill, like it or not. Another fine mess has been self inflicted, and it's likely to become far worse as winter draws in. But the do gooders have no conception of "down the road in time", only specious promises in the heat of the moment. I reckon most of the ones here will never go back.
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Whilst I feel scheme and thought behind it was genuine. No real planning or contingency was put into place, it was just a knee-jerk reaction. Granted it came from a good place, it still leaves a lot of people who are in great need and have gone through a terrible amount of stress, loss and upheaval in there lives just left to hang in the wind.
I've no issue with Ukrainians being here or staying for that matter. I'm also happy to have my tax £ go towards helping them both here in the UK and for Ukraine to fight. I just wish the Government had put in place a better plan to house these people in a more sustainable way rather than palm it off on the local population to deal with.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Empathy is an emotion that just passes you by isn't it.
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I would say that he is empathic to both the plight of his countrymen, who have to pick-up the tab from these refugees through higher taxes, longer NHS waiting lists, more kids in schools etc, as well as the poor refugees themselves, who the Government have thrown the door open to without planning any way to support them in a meaningful, thought-out, long term way, leaving everyone - refugees and British - worse off from the experience.

That sounds like empathy to me, rather than the simplistic "Please come here - but we've no idea how to immediately help you, no idea how to further support you and no idea how to pay for all everyone now the cost of living has jumped up - but still come anyway, even if you have to be abandoned like a Xmas puppy later on!!!" version of 'empathy' which just hurts everyone.

The UK needed a long term solution, one that was well understood, budgeted and properluy planned and would have been an actual help to the refugee's, even if that took time to do. Once they'd left Ukraine, waiting say 6 months in a "safe" country before coming a fully prepared UK would have been far better than the treatment many are receiving now.
 
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