Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Caracus2k said:
Your apparenlty unable or unwilling to construct a logical argument so have resorted some bizarre whataboutery about the UK's colonial past when Russia was itself an aggressive expansionistic empire in the same time frame.
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You have completely missed my point. I said this:

Maple Leaf said:
Do you think foreigners think most Brits approve of the Opium Wars, the Jallianwala Bagh massacre or the British Empire's treatment of American Indians/Australian Aborigines because Britain once carried those outrages out?
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The reason I asked that is because I was trying to make you think about national stereotypes and how the media in our society condition us to think about foreigners. I know from personal experience with some Indians that they feel resentment against the English for the Jallianwala Bagh massacre and they felt it necessary to see what my opinion about that was. Obviously, I told them that I thought it was a disgraceful incident that should never have occurred. However, the fact that they thought that an educated young Englishman might feel the need to defend that outrage means that they no longer saw me as an independent minded individual, but just as a member of a national group. In other words, they had a national stereotypical view of an Englishman and they wanted to see how closely I conformed to it. They had effectively dehumanised me.

In the same way, we are at risk of viewing individual Russians through the lens of national stereotypes and rejecting their independent free will and capacity for self-determination through their personal acquisition of knowledge and experience. To just say they are Russian so they are probably supporters of Putin and approve of the Ukraine war (even if they have the benefit of knowing the truth about the latter) is intellectually lazy. All individuals should have the right not to have their political views assumed because they are a member of a certain nationality.

Most Russian men of military age are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine and what they really think of Putin and his war may be unprintable. But in Russia if they post something critical about Putin, the Ukraine war etc on social media then they will get arrested, beaten up and fined/imprisoned. Visiting foreign journalists cannot get them to say what they really think on camera and hence we can only guess about what most of our Russian male counterparts actually believe.

Caracus2k said:
Putin has enjoyed a considerable degree of domestic support that has only wavered recently with his disastrous invasion of Ukraine.
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Putin controls the media in Russia with an iron fist so he has them report how popular he wants to be. The cabal of gangsters he surrounds himself with keep a tight reign on journalists and opposition politicians.

Caracus2k said:
It may be theorised that taking in sufficient male refuges will deprive the Russian army of enough conscripts to negatively affect their war effort but in reality it would require admitting hundrends of thousands of male Russians (and often their familes) were as trying to push so many raw recruits to the front when the Russians now lack the equipment and logistics to support and direct them is likely to be a **** show anyway. So I doubt it would actually make that much difference to the war but it might significantly undermine some other states bordering Russia.
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If they are forced to fight to the death by Barrier (anti-retreat) units, just as in World War 2, and get wiped out that's fine because they are just Russians then? Of course, in that case they would probably take a lot of Ukrainians with them too. Alternatively, they could mass surrender to the Ukrainians, but then the latter would have to find space and personnel to guard up to 300,000 Russian troops which would clearly be problematic too.
 
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mrk said:
Ok so on reddit someone posted a drone footage where the camera zooms in on two Russian soldiers taking part in what appeared to be one of them smoking the other's pole. The drone then drops a munition taking them both out.

Whilst this is remarkable use of technology, it's also enough internet for one day :eek:
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Mrwong said:
there is one taking a dump, and the bomb drops from the drone.
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delta0 said:
That one with the grenade hitting the soldier on the head but failing to explode. He went down like a sack of spuds and the others looking around like WTF just happened :cry:
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I've seen a few of these now and I'm pretty surprised how many of them miss the target. They're more often knocked over by the blast but it's not obvious if they're killed or not
 
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robgmun said:
I've seen a few of these now and I'm pretty surprised how many of them miss the target. They're more often knocked over by the blast but it's not obvious if they're killed or not
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They will very likely be injured, which can put more of a strain on the Russian forces than simply killing them outright. Also the psychological impact of death or injury randomly and probably silently appearing from the sky at any time is significant on morale.
 
robgmun said:
I've seen a few of these now and I'm pretty surprised how many of them miss the target. They're more often knocked over by the blast but it's not obvious if they're killed or not
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Often not killed no but injured enough to not be useful in the field. Many limbs etc lost, many bleed slowly to death etc. On top of that, imagine trying to have a nap when you know there could be a drone above you with a grenade.
 
Hades said:
They will very likely be injured, which can put more of a strain on the Russian forces than simply killing them outright. Also the psychological impact of death or injury randomly and probably silently appearing from the sky at any time is significant on morale.
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Exactly, the shrapnel is there to injure. As far as I know the drone noise is really distinctive and not that silent.
 
grudas said:
Can’t hear it above certain height..
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The height these drones are flying at I very much doubt they will be un-noticeable. I guess it depends on background noise and atmospheric conditions though.

Our own drone boys once claimed to me the the H450 at operating altitude would be silent to those on the ground. The great lawnmower in the sky begs to differ. Even Predator and Reaper were detectable in the right conditions and they were much higher (but if one of them are directly above you. you aint the target!) .
 
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steve45 said:
The height these drones are flying at I very much doubt they will be un-noticeable. I guess it depends on background noise and atmospheric conditions though.

Our own drone boys once claimed to me the the H450 at operating altitude would be silent to those on the ground. The great lawnmower in the sky begs to differ. Even Predator and Reaper were detectable in the right conditions and they were much higher (but if one of them are directly above you. you aint the target!) .
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They are very hard to hear at around 30 meters
 
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