Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Tactical and Strategic are political terms , to the armed forces a nuke is a nuke (or bucket of instant sunshine)

Stop it your embarrassing yourself

Do you realise there are multiple delivery mechanisms and how small the smallest actually are?

 
I think the issue with nuclear war discussion is it's all a bit moot.

If it starts, it's over. For all of us.
 
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There's a war going on with a nuclear armed power, ignoring it won't make that not be the case.
Nuclear armed powers have been involved in wars ever since 1945.
Its not a case of ignoring it but the discussion should be in a separate thread as it has virtually nothing to do with the current military situation in Ukraine which this thread is about, its all just speculation based on fear.
As I stated earlier Putin is already setting the ground for blaming the military complex and therefore clearly looking to carry on regardless of what happens in Ukraine.
He is a ruthless dictator, not someone from Dr Strangelove.
 
Nuclear armed powers have been involved in wars ever since 1945.
Its not a case of ignoring it but the discussion should be in a separate thread as it has virtually nothing to do with the current military situation in Ukraine which this thread is about, its all just speculation based on fear.
As I stated earlier Putin is already setting the ground for blaming the military complex and therefore clearly looking to carry on regardless of what happens in Ukraine.
He is a ruthless dictator, not someone from Dr Strangelove.

Disagree, the threat of nuclear war is relevant to this discussion / war, if it wasn't then NATO troops would have been in Ukraine from Day 1.
 
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I think the issue with nuclear war discussion is it's all a bit moot.

If it starts, it's over. For all of us.

Nuclear war yep, all over

But a limited nuclear interchange doesn't guarantee to escalate to MAD, each party will have options to keep it down
EG the feeling seems to be that if Putin uses some limited nuclear capacity in Ukraine then NATO (+++) will seek to use overwhelming conventional forces.
It would then be back on Putin as to how he reacts to that.
 
Nuclear armed powers have been involved in wars ever since 1945.
Its not a case of ignoring it but the discussion should be in a separate thread as it has virtually nothing to do with the current military situation in Ukraine which this thread is about, its all just speculation based on fear.
As I stated earlier Putin is already setting the ground for blaming the military complex and therefore clearly looking to carry on regardless of what happens in Ukraine.
He is a ruthless dictator, not someone from Dr Strangelove.

Odd 3 posts on forums all trying to shut down discussion from people who have been here years.
Alt account?
 
If a nuke is launched, are we not able to shoot it down safely?

Apologies for the lack of understanding. :o

I guess it depends on how advanced it is? So if the anti-missile systems in the UK can't see it?

Type 45 destroyers are being upgraded with some missiles that can be used for ballistic missile defense, though I'm not sure they can intercept an ICBM, probably not.

Unless there is something top secret that can be carried by our ships or that the US has deployed in Europe then I don't think there is much that can be done.

The US does have some ICBM defences though these were developed more with North Korea in mind, it's quite a hard task to solve and AFAIK they'll really need to launch multiple missiles in order to have a good chance of intercepting a single ICBM.

Basically, the main defence is MAD + if that breaks down then simply try to target as many Russian launchers/subs/command centres etc. as possible + hope plenty of them fail anyway.

I think the issue with nuclear war discussion is it's all a bit moot.

If it starts, it's over. For all of us.

Not necessarily, more like most of us.

No one really knows for sure, the immediate aftermath is survivable if you're outside a major city/away from a major military base, obviously big issues with lack of infrastructure etc.. after that.

Nuclear winter is perhaps the next worry, how much of an issue that might be isn't certain. The UK is an obvious target so the main issue for us is just how many Russian nukes can be destroyed and how many might fail, miss targets etc.. if lots get through then sure, UK becomes a post-apocalyptic wasteland, if some get through then massive, massive disaster but not necessarily everyone dead, at least not right away.

Even with a massive strategic strike going both ways places like Australia, New Zealand, Chile etc.. might be OK, though survivors in UK/Europe perhaps would have the best chance with access to a boat unless they have a lot of supplies.
 
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Nuclear war yep, all over

But a limited nuclear interchange doesn't guarantee to escalate to MAD, each party will have options to keep it down
EG the feeling seems to be that if Putin uses some limited nuclear capacity in Ukraine then NATO (+++) will seek to use overwhelming conventional forces.
It would then be back on Putin as to how he reacts to that.
That's a very fair point.
 
Question, how much more powerful or less powerful would a modern nuke or one Russia would likely use be in comparison to the two the United States already used on Japan?
 
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Question, how much more powerful or less powerful would a modern nuke or one Russia would likely use be in comparison to the two the United States already used on Japan?

Variable, that was like 15 kilotons which is far less powerful than modern strategic nukes, but tactical nukes like the West is concerned Russia might use can vary from less than 1 kiloton to a few dozen kilotons.
 
Question, how much more powerful or less powerful would a modern nuke or one Russia would likely use be in comparison to the two the United States already used on Japan?

Of recent there has been a push for smaller warhead yield - W76mod2 for example is in the 6 kt range; the days of the huge megaton class is over , as its shown that all the larger weapons do is cause more thermal damage to a confined area - they dont reach further. The UK has 2 types of warhead - 100KT or 10KT , both of which sail with the Vanguard force.
 
However, unlike the west which placed all its WMD eggs into nuclear - Russia (and before that the USSR) has always used all of the types of WMD (Nuclear, Radiological, Biological and Chemical) in its plans of attack. ICBM`s would have differing warheads based upon targets - for example genetically modified Anthrax would be airdelivered to cities not targeted for nuclear attack; Biopreparat was the name of the organisation set to this work. Chemical weapons we have seen used recently - Novichok . Russia declared they had destroyed all Chemical agents in 2017 - yet used Novichok 3 years later.
 
If a nuke is launched, are we not able to shoot it down safely?

The US claims that it could shoot down every warhead Russia can launch. Most people doubt this claim. The UK has much more limited capabilities, and is also much closer to Russia giving less time to identify and target warheads. A single nuke might be shot down but the UK has no capability to counter a large scale launch by Russia.
 
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