Kwasi Kwarteng has been sacked..

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Devilman said:
You mean the furlough that wasn't planned, thought out or executed well at all?

The furlough that had it's debt written off by a former Tory chancellor as it was easier than actually dealing with the massive level of fraud associated with a lot of the money?

That Furlough ?
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lol what hole were you in? "Wasn't planned"? The world was ending if you recall fella.
 
Black Noir said:
The scary thing is most of the noise around rising energy bills before the "2 year limit" dropped off when the plan was announced but since it was scrapped that noise is nowhere near as loud. It won't be long before the average bill is £4k per annum but the furore has largely died.. are the public accepting of it or in shock from the big U-Turn? Both?
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Don't worry the noise will get steadily louder as in the new year and will be deafening by April. Hopefully, that will apply enough pressure to the government to extend it for another year or so
 
robgmun said:
Don't worry the noise will get steadily louder as in the new year and will be deafening by April. Hopefully, that will apply enough pressure to the government to extend it for another year or so
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Paid for how? That will be the question and not noise on twitter..
 
n111ck said:
Giving what to whom?
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In what regard, generally or my £895bn claim? If it's the latter than i was referring to QE that's been shown (afaik) mainly benefits the most wealth vs the government spending it on public services, infrastructure, housing and the sort of things that see the money go into working peoples pockets and local economies.

If it's the former then you've already been given examples like the useless track & trace, funnelling billions to their mates / neighbours / donors via dodgy PPE contracts.
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Are you surprised by this? Did you think it would be higher?
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Well yea, sort of. Typically you'd expect to see a bounce in favourability with a new PM, like you see in that graph when Boris become PM
 
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dLockers said:
lol what hole were you in? "Wasn't planned"? The world was ending if you recall fella.
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Read the sentence again and comprehend...

I did not say "it wasn't planned"

I said it was not planned well, (The actual wording I used was :- "not planned, thought out or executed well", the intention was to suggest that neither planning, thought or execution was done well.)
Just in the same way the energy cap has not been planned well and the tax cuts for the rich that would have required borrowing more money was not planned well.
 
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Devilman said:
Read the sentence again and comprehend...

I did not say "it wasn't planned"

I said it was not planned well, (The actual wording I used was :- "not planned, thought out or executed well") just in the same way the energy cap has not been planned well and the tax cuts for the rich that would have required borrowing more money was not planned well.
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Alreet well next pandemic/when the world is ending we'll see what you come up with.
 
robgmun said:
Don't worry the noise will get steadily louder as in the new year and will be deafening by April. Hopefully, that will apply enough pressure to the government to extend it for another year or so
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There's no money left (where have we heard that before I wonder...) so lube up.
 
Hedge said:
Most people in my experience are actually somewhere around the middle. Yet the media love to keep us all divided and make people seem far more extreme than they really are.

I think most of the public just like to plod along in our own little bubble and don't care too passionately about most things.
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That definitely perfectly describes me
 
dLockers said:
Alreet well next pandemic/when the world is ending we'll see what you come up with.
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Sure no problem... Pay me what the people in power who make these decisions are being paid and I'll come up with something.

Until then, your smart **** comments just make you look like a dismissive fool.

I do not have an entire team of experts advising me, nor access to some of the most skilled minds in their respective professions to advise me on policy.

The Tories DID.
 
dLockers said:
Alreet well next pandemic/when the world is ending we'll see what you come up with.
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Tbf when it came to the Bounce Back Loans the simple checkbox saying "I promise to pay back my BBL, honest guv" was hilariously lax, there were plenty of simple things that could have been implemented to prevent the amount of fraud it facilitated.
 
Freakbro said:
Tbf when it came to the Bounce Back Loans the simple checkbox saying "I promise to pay back my BBL, honest guv" was hilariously lax, there were plenty of simple things that could have been implemented to prevent the amount of fraud it facilitated.
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But why would they do that when it's their mates doing the fraud? :p
 
Freakbro said:
Tbf when it came to the Bounce Back Loans the simple checkbox saying "I promise to pay back my BBL, honest guv" was hilariously lax, there were plenty of simple things that could have been implemented to prevent the amount of fraud it facilitated.
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Cost, quality and time - people were hungry and had their livelihoods ripped away.
 
Devilman said:
Sure no problem... Pay me what the people in power who make these decisions are being paid and I'll come up with something.

Until then, your smart **** comments just make you look like a dismissive fool.

I do not have an entire team of experts advising me, nor access to some of the most skilled minds in their respective professions to advise me on policy.

The Tories DID.
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lol say you can do a better job yet can't control your comms on an internet forum, gg.
 
dLockers said:
lol say you can do a better job yet can't control your comms on an internet forum, gg.
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I didn't say I could do a better job.

What I did point out was the stupidity of your comment about how a random person on the internet should "come up with a better solution" than the entire government which has access to world-experts in their respective fields.

Do you not see the issue with such a comment?
 
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dLockers said:
Cost, quality and time - people were hungry and had their livelihoods ripped away.
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Not really, you could have just said no BBL's for businesses not running for a year, so at least they had a set of accounts to give to back up the amount of the claim since it based on % of turnover. Sure, some new businesses would have missed out and maybe failed (but plenty of people fell through the furlough cracks too, nothing was done to help them) but it would have stopped all the people immediately registering companys and applying for the full amount then disappearing into the wind, and that happened a lot. Or applying for far more than they were due and then just declaring the company bankrupt.

It's a balance, and there was none to protect against fraud.
 
Devilman said:
I didn't say I could do a better job.

What I did point out was the stupidity of your comment about how a random person on the internet should "come up with a better solution" than the entire government which has access to world-experts in their respective fields.

Do you not see the issue with such a comment?
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It is all a bit spilled milk now isn't it. The world was ending, resources are scarce, decisions needed to be made quick. Guess what happens in those scenarios?
 
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