The 1080Ti owners predicament.

[kieran_read]

Nvidia made a power house of a GPU at a time when we were only just moving to PS4 Pro / XBOX One X.
At this time the 1080 Ti severely outclassed any games being released as they were console limited.
Moving on to late November 2020 and we see next generation consoles hit the market.
3 years have almost passed and 1080 Ti owners still keep bragging about how great the card is. Praise Jensen!.

In many internet discussions the 1080 Ti owners hailed their GPU as value king and nothing is able to touch it whilst not understanding the real reason why.

Moving on we see games now taking more advantage of RT effects, certain games coming along making the 1080 Ti look very old, many ignored it.
The 2060 being a very mid range Turing GPU and we all knew how much people loathed Turing because it was apparently not a big enough leap in performance whilst Nvidia were tackling a totally different beast other than pure rasterization.

The issues with people who own such cards, their emotions fuel them and blind them, subjectivity is why we buy things, many cannot raise their heads out of this and take a objective and distant view on the subject.

The only reason the 1080 |Ti was so great was due to software allowing it to be, conforming to old ways, the 1080 Ti is amazing all because it came around in a time where there was nothing to push it, overpowered for all software coming out, until games started to push forwards into next generation, the 1080 Ti is now an ever falling behind beast that can still hang in some titles, but this situation above is now much more common.


I will await the old "Nvidia planned obsolescence".

My 1080ti has been glorious, still using it now (planning on a 7900xtx as a replacement) but as someone who plays in 4k it can stuggle, but even then if i turn some settings down to medium it will still run reasonably well, likewise moving to 1440p works wonders.

Honestly if people need a good cheap GPU and only play single player games in either 1440p or 1080p i would argue the 1080ti is still a good card. Sure you may have to go to High settings down from ultra in the odd game, but it's still more than playable even on more modern games.

 

[kieran_read]

If i remember correctly, the 1080ti launch was around the time of a new mining boom. I remember being on the OCUK forums with people joining mining teams. That's why it was overpriced, the RRP was reasonable. I bought mine after Gibbo posted a forum deal to buy it for RRP so i got my Asus Strix (yes a strix!) for under £800 and we know how much Asus charge a premium. I think on the website for non forum users the price was will well over £1100.

 

[Quixote]

Sorry, I completely disagree with the analysis in the OP.

The 1080ti was so good & remained relavent for so long because:

- It was only slightly cut down from the Titan
- It was a good generation that saw a big performance increase
- With no Crypto & no particular scarcity, it's price declined in a 'normal' manner with time
- It was followed by a generation with very mediocre performance, which meant it was a long time before there were any worthwhile upgrades
- The VRam allocation was generous compared to the stagnation & decline of the cards that followed.

Nothing to do with 'no software to take advantage' or the emotions of people who bought them.

Of course, nothing can escape the ravages of time & the card is now very long in the tooth, but still a decent mid-range performer if you have one.

 

[Tired9]

Sorry, I completely disagree with the analysis in the OP.

The 1080ti was so good & remained relavent for so long because:

- It was only slightly cut down from the Titan
- It was a good generation that saw a big performance increase
- With no Crypto & no particular scarcity, it's price declined in a 'normal' manner with time
- It was followed by a generation with very mediocre performance, which meant it was a long time before there were any worthwhile upgrades
- The VRam allocation was generous compared to the stagnation & decline of the cards that followed.

Nothing to do with 'no software to take advantage' or the emotions of people who bought them.

Of course, nothing can escape the ravages of time & the card is now very long in the tooth, but still a decent mid-range performer if you have one.

Because of focusing on performance increases elsewhere, not in pure rasterization.
Which can be said for the 1080Ti just in GPU performance alone as only FC6 gives 8GB Vram any true issues.

Seems like strong denial.

 

[Quixote]

So do you think a 2080ti seemed like an appealing upgrade for a 1080ti owner when it came out ? Or an 8GB 2080 ?
The 3080 maybe was at launch price, but there was bascially just the launch-day allocation before crypto-geddon & lockdowns made the RRP disappear in a puff of smoke.
Same story for the Radeon 68XXs. So what were 1080ti owners supposed to upgrade to & when ?

 

[Tired9]

So do you think a 2080ti seemed like an appealing upgrade for a 1080ti owner when it came out ? Or an a 8GB 2080 ?
The 3080 maybe was at launch price, but there was bascially just the launch-day allocation before crypto-geddon & lockdowns made the RRP disappear in a puff of smoke.
Same story for the Radeon 68XXs. So what were 1080ti owners supposed to upgrade to & when ?

Of course not, there was barely any software to give those cards the light they were best used in, coming from pure rasterization often glorifies whatever you own right at that moment, based on emotions and how you feel about your experience with it.

Some people don't update how their thinking works and stick to fixed rhetoric.

I am talking about now not back then, just that back then influences many peoples future thinking, rose tinted and all.

 

[kieran_read]

The problem is the illusion

The 1080ti was such a huge performer, such a huge generational leap that subsiquent launches just felt underwhelming.
It's not that the 2080ti was bad it's just the 1080ti was that damn good imo.

 

[Tired9]

The problem is the illusion

The 1080ti was such a huge performer, such a huge generational leap that subsiquent launches just felt underwhelming.
It's not that the 2080ti was bad it's just the 1080ti was that damn good imo.

It was a beast I have stated this. The issue though is that software was to it's advantage, RT enabled games and the way games work now are quite different to games pre 2020.
A lot of benchmarks are written off or ignored and we are simply given, oh Nvidia planned obsolescence, AMD sponsored or some other tripe, I say tripe because it usually is, with more critical thinking, for example yes FC6 is an AMD sponsored game, the excuse does not work though because the Pascal card is disproportionately slower than either Turing and Ampere in test, this would by my own mind tell me that not only is it AMD sponsored and yes AMD do play better, but the 1080Ti's underlying architecture is just hitting walls these newer ones are not.

Though without any insight into how the game is made and in what ways the advantages of Radeon hardware stack up, for example we have no idea in what way the Radeon cards have such a leg up over Nvidia other than using a blanket statement that they are better in rasterization, which yeah is not far behind the truth, but there is also things like Nvidia for a long time having way heavier CPU overhead through drivers, plus AMD recently fixed their driver performance problems in DX11/ Open GL, though they were not as hot on letting us know about Vulkan and DX12.

 

[kieran_read]

It was a beast I have stated this. The issue though is that software was to it's advantage, RT enabled games and the way games work now are quite different to games pre 2020.
A lot of benchmarks are written off or ignored and we are simply given, oh Nvidia planned obsolescence, AMD sponsored or some other tripe, I say tripe because it usually is, with more critical thinking, for example yes FC6 is an AMD sponsored game, the excuse does not work though because the Pascal card is disproportionately slower than either Turing and Ampere in test, this would by my own mind tell me that not only is it AMD sponsored and yes AMD do play better, but the 1080Ti's underlying architecture is just hitting walls these newer ones are not.

Though without any insight into how the game is made and in what ways the advantages of Radeon hardware stack up, for example we have no idea in what way the Radeon cards have such a leg up over Nvidia other than using a blanket statement that they are better in rasterization, which yeah is not far behind the truth, but there is also things like Nvidia for a long time having way heavier CPU overhead through drivers, plus AMD recently fixed their driver performance problems in DX11/ Open GL, though they were not as hot on letting us know about Vulkan and DX12.

This works both ways though, the amount of reviews that use Nvidia sponsored titles and then have people going "Haha AMD SUX DEM DUM IDIOTS" it's hilarious.

People really need to look for reviews on the games they play for the best reality of how something will perform.

In terms of AMD cards, they have a lower driver overhead, Hardware unboxed looked into this, so if Nvidia and AMD are close in performance on older CPUS it's probably more advantagious to use a AMD card as it would perform slightly better.

But in general people need to look at what they need and stop worrying about what other people think is good about a card.

 

[Quixote]

coming from pure rasterization often glorifies whatever you own right at that moment, based on emotions and how you feel about your experience with it.

So, valuing rasterization performance is emotional & somehow deluded, where valuing raytacing performance is objective & scientific & rational ?
Wierd. I thought people just choose the products that do the things they want.

 

[Tired9]

So, valuing rasterization performance is emotional & somehow deluded, where valuing raytacing perormance is objective & scientific & rational ?
Wierd. I thought people just choose the products that do the things they want.

In terms of discussion we tend to understand things objectively, coming from the idea that we should speak from emotions always is why it almost always turns into fights, objectively the 1080Ti was a great card it was backed up by software being so easy to run on it with a design GPU wise that could crush those games, now it is falling by the way side due to the fact rasterization is not counted as much no longer especially with upscaling techniques and RT coming into play.

It's not delusional, it is just painting the discussion with emotional content which serves no purpose to truth nor future thinking.

The predicament is 10 fold when folks cannot discuss these things due to the effect of feeling taking such control over them.
It's not like I don't have feelings myself, I still hate the RDNA 5700 XT, I would burn it on a stick and video it to all.

But in terms of seeing how things really are it's far removed from how I feel, change has to occur or a solid barrier between logic / rationality and your feelings.

Feelings back up the experience me or anyone else had, but are not at all the objective of the thing in question. Some people had great experiences with RDNA, I had terrible ones, RDNA2 though is sweet as a nut. My subjective opinion and feelings.

Feelings are not delusional, but they can turn a conversation into a delusional cesspool.

 

[nomadd]

Sorry, I completely disagree with the analysis in the OP.

Agree.

1080Ti is still a great card if you aren't aiming for RT, native 4k or Ultra settings. No intention of upgrading mine any time soon. Not one single PC game worth the upgrade cost, especially with the insane prices of new graphics cards.

 

[Scania]

No plans to change my 1080ti, if anything, eventually get another for SLI (which the majority of the older games I still enjoy support) it's bang for buck still holds water today.

Not quite sure what the OP's point is here? - old card falls behind? Well blow me!

 

[nomadd]

Not quite sure what the OP's point is here?

He was trying to tell of us happy 1080Ti owners that it's now finally "safe" to spend £1300-£2400 on an upgrade. Jensen would be proud.

 

[phil-k]

I am still using my GTX1080 with all modern games set to ultra without any obvious problems, apart from Cyberpunk which I have to put the levels down a bit as it gets a bit jerky.
I have recently built a new system around it based on a 7 5800X cpu, so that has probably helped a bit

 

[BS Dave]

1080ti overclocked quite nicely though right? the same as at 980ti. i'd always look at benchies and think i could ad another 25/30 percent on to those. the rated boost on my pascal titan was 1550 or something but it would happily do 2050+ so literally an extra 30%.

The only reason i moved it on was i got a 3080fe and the market was so crazy i could get back pretty much what i bought it for (2nd hand)

AS far as ray tracing goes... with Nvidia cranking levels (see cyberpunk/darktide) higher in every new game it's only the latest gen that can do it anyway (my 3080 can't do RT in darktide - the cost of any setting is too high)

 

[Tired9]

1080ti overclocked quite nicely though right? the same as at 980ti. i'd always look at benchies and think i could ad another 25/30 percent on to those. the rated boost on my pascal titan was 1550 or something but it would happily do 2050+ so literally an extra 30%.

The only reason i moved it on was i got a 3080fe and the market was so crazy i could get back pretty much what i bought it for (2nd hand)

AS far as ray tracing goes... with Nvidia cranking levels (see cyberpunk/darktide) higher in every new game it's only the latest gen that can do it anyway (my 3080 can't do RT in darktide - the cost of any setting is too high)

30% clock speed =/= 30% perf boost.
More like 10-15% max.

 

[BS Dave]

30% clock speed =/= 30% perf boost - agreed
More like 10-15% max - i had one mate - sometimes it's not so much, sometimes it's more. it's still a great card. i'm with Scania. Sure it's not a 4090 but it's pretty old now and with an overclock absolutely holding up to expectations

 

[Tired9]

He was trying to tell of us happy 1080Ti owners that it's now finally "safe" to spend £1300-£2400 on an upgrade. Jensen would be proud.

Naaa just a 650 quid one to a 6900 XT would do but you know, drama.

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

I just today swapped out my 1080Ti for a 3070 got it used for £325 and so far really happy with the performance improvement, definitely a long overdue upgrade but the crypto boom put the prices out of reach for a lot of people.