Energy Prices (Strictly NO referrals!)

I guess I am, sucks to have standards.

Welcome to 2022 where standards have dropped and if you dont think its good enough your name is Karen.

Pretty sure Octopus staff will be flat out working on this - developing and approving Comms messages will only slow down the process.
Of course, they could employ more people at an increased cost to customers, but then you probably don't want that either.

If you're not desperate for the credit/points (unlikely) then just be patient - the info will be up when it's ready.
 
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Probably the same limitations as the earlier spending, house owner etc.


Well it says this on the website

The existing ECO scheme (known as ECO4) is targeted at those who need support most; those in social housing, on a low-income or fuel poor. However, with the significant increase in energy bills, the government intends up to 80% of ECO+ to help a wider customer base who are currently not eligible for support under existing government-backed energy efficiency schemes.


So it reads to me that they'll either increase or even remove the household income cap that they use on ECO4.
 

Bit of a kick if you've spent money insulating and you'd be eligible for this expanded scheme.
whilst this may be true it is still a good thing imo. we have to get our housing stock more energy efficient. there used to be grants to do this but they seem to have dried up so I welcome them coming back.
indirectly it benefits us all. lower energy use means our clean energy goes further which means lower energy bill for all (once they remove all energy costs being tied to fossil fuels which needs to happen).....
 
Well it says this on the website




So it reads to me that they'll either increase or even remove the household income cap that they use on ECO4.
Yeah social housing might not also mean private rental, most schemes I looked at seemed to require been the owner of the home, although was a couple I came across which were for private tenants, but of course you had to be on certain benefits which was understandable.

Round here the council estate where my sister lives is all double glazed, a far cry from the condition of many of the private rentals.
 
whilst this may be true it is still a good thing imo. we have to get our housing stock more energy efficient. there used to be grants to do this but they seem to have dried up so I welcome them coming back.
indirectly it benefits us all. lower energy use means our clean energy goes further which means lower energy bill for all (once they remove all energy costs being tied to fossil fuels which needs to happen).....
I feel like £1bn is barely a drop in the ocean though. I saw a figure earlier this year (article and data being the latest) that said 50% of housing in the UK has no wall insulation. Depending on the house construction, that's either a "simple" cavity wall filling, or if it's timber frame then you'd need to take all plasterboard off the external walls to fill with insulation and weatherproofing properly - that's surely going to be both expensive and a huge inconvenience.
 
I feel like £1bn is barely a drop in the ocean though. I saw a figure earlier this year (article and data being the latest) that said 50% of housing in the UK has no wall insulation. Depending on the house construction, that's either a "simple" cavity wall filling, or if it's timber frame then you'd need to take all plasterboard off the external walls to fill with insulation and weatherproofing properly - that's surely going to be both expensive and a huge inconvenience.
It isn't just that. A lot of houses are also solid walls so you would have to externally or internally clad them. Timber frame generally is already either cavity or external clad though due to age of timber frame construction for housing stock.
 
It isn't just that. A lot of houses are also solid walls so you would have to externally or internally clad them. Timber frame generally is already either cavity or external clad though due to age of timber frame construction for housing stock.
You're right - I'd completely forgotten about solid wall housing (even though I lived in one until recently :D ). That makes that pot even smaller then, I'd guess.

My house (2017) is timber-frame. Is it only recent houses that tend to be timber frame then? I know most houses are usually built as cavity wall or timber-frame these days, but I'd assumed timber frame had been used for decades.
 
You're right - I'd completely forgotten about solid wall housing (even though I lived in one until recently :D ). That makes that pot even smaller then, I'd guess.

My house (2017) is timber-frame. Is it only recent houses that tend to be timber frame then? I know most houses are usually built as cavity wall or timber-frame these days, but I'd assumed timber frame had been used for decades.
If you are talking 'modern' timber frame and not ancient history or victorian era which are completely different and would not be cavity. Mid 70's is when timber frame was really a thing and relatively still low numbers. Those would be limited to no insulation but we are talking low thousands house numbers. late 90's onwards they are insulated generally and thats where they are produced in the tens of thousands range so yes there is probably 50-100k timber frame homes that do need it but relative to other homes it is a lower figure if you take UK wide numbers.

There is a good paper about a timber frame house from 70's mind showing what you have stated with removing the plasterboard layer etc. https://www.linktoenergy.org.uk/case-studies/HCS9.pdf
 
You're right - I'd completely forgotten about solid wall housing (even though I lived in one until recently :D ). That makes that pot even smaller then, I'd guess.

My house (2017) is timber-frame. Is it only recent houses that tend to be timber frame then? I know most houses are usually built as cavity wall or timber-frame these days, but I'd assumed timber frame had been used for decades.
I think if the windows arent up to scratch they should be done first? seems less intrusive whilst more effective, then walls after that? But this scheme like the last one seems to assume everyone already has PVC double glazing.
 
mine is done, was about same as last time when I take the 2nd session bonus into consideration, now £1.99, was £0.85

saw some people complaining its just a result and they cant see the calculation. I suspect 9/10 wouldnt be able to do it and would say its wrong when its right.

I mean a high proportion of the country struggle to grasp the concept of a kwh, let along taking 10 or 4 previous days (week/weekend) excluding any previous savings sessions, by half hour to calc an average
Then to take the load for the 3 hours before the savings session, calculate a deviation from average (over that same period) to apply it to the above baseline for the saving session.
Then compare it to the actual usage (in 30 minute windows) for the savings session.

Recipe for disaster letting most people near that!
 
I think if the windows arent up to scratch they should be done first? seems less intrusive whilst more effective, then walls after that? But this scheme like the last one seems to assume everyone already has PVC double glazing.

Loft first, value for money on loft savings is highest
then windows
then doors (far more expensive than windows for similar benefit)
then walls

then you start to get into other things such as under floor, cold bridges or open holes breaching part of wall, such as open gaps when rad pipes come through plasterboard
Floor could be higher up if its got literal gaps such as floorboards without T&G etc
I suspect the fad of open boards will die rather quickly
 
mine is done, was about same as last time when I take the 2nd session bonus into consideration, now £1.99, was £0.85

saw some people complaining its just a result and they cant see the calculation. I suspect 9/10 wouldnt be able to do it and would say its wrong when its right.

I mean a high proportion of the country struggle to grasp the concept of a kwh, let along taking 10 or 4 previous days (week/weekend) excluding any previous savings sessions, by half hour to calc an average
Then to take the load for the 3 hours before the savings session, calculate a deviation from average (over that same period) to apply it to the above baseline for the saving session.
Then compare it to the actual usage (in 30 minute windows) for the savings session.

Recipe for disaster letting most people near that!

Still don’t have mine yet, hopefully my meter isn’t one of those sticky ones!
 
Still don’t have mine yet, hopefully my meter isn’t one of those sticky ones!

I seemed to be quite early on last time, one of if not the first to report back so maybe there is some logic.

I was an octopus customer some years ago, recently returned but with same account number so might just be in account number order or something like that
 
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I think if the windows arent up to scratch they should be done first? seems less intrusive whilst more effective, then walls after that? But this scheme like the last one seems to assume everyone already has PVC double glazing.
From the same article I mentioned earlier, something like 85% of houses have PVC double-glazing, so I'm not surprised it's overlooked. I'm sure the high figure masks the varying levels of window quality and age though!
 
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From the same article I mentioned earlier, something like 85% of houses have PVC double-glazing, so I'm not surprised it's overlooked. I'm sure the high figure masks the varying levels of window quality and age though!
Yeah there is low quality PVC, my childhood home had it at the back but it was in poor condition.
 
It isn't just that. A lot of houses are also solid walls so you would have to externally or internally clad them. Timber frame generally is already either cavity or external clad though due to age of timber frame construction for housing stock.
We have solid walls and had external wall insulation added. Made a huge difference. We already had double glazing.
 
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