Car purchase gone wrong…. No.2

Phonecalls I'd still log times and if you can, the content. If it gets messy you really want to note the timings and how the conversations went. It's good that you mentioned the £500 in the email as you have a record of it now.

They then can't deny it later (of course they could just not reply to the email). If they don't reply to the email and call you instead then be sure quote/reference key bits from the phone call in a follow up email.

I think the £500 comes from there being something about deducting money for wear and tear upon return but I really don't think that applies here given the timescales.

Btw I thought the car was small fry in my case as well, but it doesn't matter to these scumbags.
 
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If he was able to jump start the car then it's definitely something to do with the battery not charging or something draining it.

The washer jet one is a weird one, maybe (surely??) they did attempt to fix it for the MOT, did the motor/pump make a sound when pulling the stalk?
 
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Phonecalls I'd still log times and if you can, the content. If it gets messy you really want to note the timings and how the conversations went. It's good that you mentioned the £500 in the email as you have a record of it now.

They then can't deny it later (of course they could just not reply to the email). If they don't reply to the email and call you instead then be sure quote/reference key bits from the phone call in a follow up email.

I think the £500 comes from there being something about deducting money for wear and tear upon return but I really don't think that applies here given the timescales.

Btw I thought the car was small fry in my case as well, but it doesn't matter to these scumbags.

And actually leaving the new battery in there is good grounds for you saying you accept it's an old car and will have some wear and tear, hence you did spend money on it. Definitely remember this bit in case it does go down the small claims route. It might be worth mentioning it to them when they ask for £500 again.
 
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Phonecalls I'd still log times and if you can, the content. If it gets messy you really want to note the timings and how the conversations went. It's good that you mentioned the £500 in the email as you have a record of it now.

They then can't deny it later (of course they could just not reply to the email). If they don't reply to the email and call you instead then be sure quote/reference key bits from the phone call in a follow up email.

I think the £500 comes from there being something about deducting money for wear and tear upon return but I really don't think that applies here given the timescales.

Btw I thought the car was small fry in my case as well, but it doesn't matter to these scumbags.

Will do that too - thanks for all the suggestions, specifically the help you've provided in this post @sigma and to all the other people chiming in, I thought I was on my own and would have to just duke it out with the dealer (still possible of course), but knowing I'm not being unreasonable has helped, so cheers.

I think of the 100 cars they've got for sale mine was, value wise, in the bottom 5%. I appreciate their mark up on it might be higher, don't suppose we'll ever know what they offered the last owner.

Oh, and speaking of the last owner, the dealership told me yesterday that "the previous owner was a lovely chap who fixed everything on the car, he'd have told us if there were anything wrong with it" :D :D - like, how dense are you, or how dense do you think I am?

If he was able to jump start the car then it's definitely something to do with the battery not being charged, or something draining it.

The washer jet one is a weird one, maybe (surely??) they did attempt to fix it for the MOT, did the motor/pump make a sound when pulling the stalk?

Yeah agreed, 100% something wrong with the electrical system at some point.

Pump still engaged when pulling the stalk, probably just the jets clogged (this wasn't a massive issue for me, I'd resigned myself to fixing that, as I know it would have niggles), honestly my main criticism is that it's failed to start on me twice, the other bits are certainly annoying but I was willing to spend money on getting them fixed, but taken as a collective, I just have no trust in this car anymore. And in a couple of weeks, I'll be out of the timeframe to reject it.

And actually leaving the new battery in there is good grounds for you saying you accept it's an old car and will have some wear and tear, hence you did spend money on it. Definitely remember this bit in case it does go down the small claims.

Good shout - yeah I think I've been reasonable. I don't know how ugly it will get but clearly I wasn't trying to run it in a shoestring, less than two weeks into ownership I'd already put a new battery and two tanks of premium diesel in it, with a further couple of grand planned to sort out tyres, brakes, and the washer jets.

I have two other cars of a similar age, one an E92 from 2006, had it over 3.5 years so I know these things aren't plain sailing (appreciate an E70 is not an E92).
 
Don't get me started on car mechanics either, they can be just as bad.

The whole ordeal has seriously made me consider buying either brand new or approved used next, don't get me wrong, I knew there'd be bumps in the road (pun totally intended), but it's just the whole dealing with people afterwards which makes it not worth it.

I think a nice Honda Jazz for me next. No @Screeeech, still don't want your Volvo :D :D
 
setting an appointment with boss asap, visiting the garage (leaving courtesy car undriven) and addressing the boss face to face maybe one strategy
... I don't want this dragging out over Christmas the braking issue let alone the battery issue entitle me to requesy a refund.
 
The whole ordeal has seriously made me consider buying either brand new or approved used next, don't get me wrong, I knew there'd be bumps in the road (pun totally intended), but it's just the whole dealing with people afterwards which makes it not worth it.

I think a nice Honda Jazz for me next. No @Screeeech, still don't want your Volvo :D :D
Yeah I think it's one or the other for me, either buy private and accept the risk or buy something within warranty, especially if spending a lot.
 
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The whole ordeal has seriously made me consider buying either brand new or approved used next, don't get me wrong, I knew there'd be bumps in the road (pun totally intended), but it's just the whole dealing with people afterwards which makes it not worth it.

I think a nice Honda Jazz for me next. No @Screeeech, still don't want your Volvo :D :D
I think part of the problem is that cars have become more complicated over the past 20 years, so there's a lot more to go wrong at the low end of the market these days than there was even 10 years ago. Except the type of people running the businesses selling and fixing them hasn't changed so you end up with more lemons like you've encountered, and people trying to shift problem vehicles onto the next person as quickly as possible.
 
I think part of the problem is that cars have become more complicated over the past 20 years, so there's a lot more to go wrong at the low end of the market these days than there was even 10 years ago. Except the type of people running the businesses selling and fixing them hasn't changed so you end up with more lemons like you've encountered, and people trying to shift problem vehicles onto the next person as quickly as possible.

I think this is a reasonable assumption.

Out of curiosity, I punched the details into AutoTrader for a valuation, pretending I was buying it for the first time. AT suggests, if buying from a dealer, expect to pay £6.8k.

With this in mind I'm now considering that they knew how much of a lemon they had on their hands and wanted rid.
 
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Presumably, now they’ve taken it away - you made it clear to them your rejecting it, won’t be accepting it back and want a refund ASAP?
 
Presumably, now they’ve taken it away - you made it clear to them your rejecting it, won’t be accepting it back and want a refund ASAP?

Yeah, told them as they were taking it away that I want a refund.

Also sent a third e-mail shortly after they took it away that I want to reject the car and I'm looking for the full amount refunded, given the circumstances, and to show where it was legally implied that the £1 per mile charge applies.
 
Out of curiosity, I punched the details into AutoTrader for a valuation, pretending I was buying it for the first time. AT suggests, if buying from a dealer, expect to pay £6.8k.

With this in mind I'm now considering that they knew how much of a lemon they had on their hands and wanted rid.
Surely if they knew it was a lemon, they would still have tried to get top dollar for it, in order to make sure they had a big margin in it to cover any repairs they might be forced to make.
 
Also sent a third e-mail shortly after they took it away that I want to reject the car and I'm looking for the full amount refunded, given the circumstances, and to show where it was legally implied that the £1 per mile charge applies.

I’m 90% certain that the seller can only claim costs for mileage if you reject the car outside of the first 30 days.

If you’re inside the first 30 days I’m pretty sure they can’t claim anything, it also says this on the motoring ombudsman site:


Remember, for rejection outside of the first 30 days, the seller is entitled to deduct the mileage you have added onto the car.
 
We're not all bad :( It's ******* annoying though that some people out there are so willing to rip people off.
I'm sure there are some good ones although in my experience they are the exceptions. Even of those who post on here at least two mechs seem like the type of person that would rip off females or someone they don't like the look of.
 
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