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EPA does a 2 or 5 cycle, most cars only do 2 and get a 0.7 factor to the mileage - if you do 5 cycle thanks the appropriate heat management it shows better real world use - one of these cycles is a -7C startup. We have just done it on IPACE which takes the EPA from 234 to 246 miles.
Tesla for years had managed to claim a default 0.77 hence there US EPA numbers were very good on the EPA label.
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The problem with the 250 miles versus 150 miles is that its described as if its the issue for a trip, reality its the combined effect of lots of smaller journeys - each one having to bring battery and cabin up significantly from the colder ambient temperature. Its like boiling a kettle 4 times for a cup of tea.
Remains for home charging the biggest win and more than cancels out any public charging stops.
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How are you imaging that will be possible in 2-3 years, if at all ever?
Or do you not understand why the range is reduced in colder weather to start with?
Don’t need to understand why. Just live with the consequence. Which for me turns a 3h trip into 3.5h and about £10 of food just cause it’s cold.
Also you can’t look at it from your Ev geek eyes if you expect EV to go mainstream.
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The cost advantage of EV has massively eroded now. So don’t rush.
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This... it is irrelevant why it happens. Consumers will vote with their wallets unless forced by government (at a level acceptable that doesn't instigate a coup!).
I’d rather go to a petrol station in than any public charger ! By the time I’ve even started charging my ICE tank would be full.
4500miles of EV miles in 4months
No one bought an ICE on range ever. It was never ever quoted as a purchase decision point. Mpg maybe but tbh range isn’t an issue when refilling is so fast. Mpg was the factor which was easy to work out pence per mile
Bigger batteries still need to fit in the car. And why add hundreds of kilos with no other benefit than to just to add a few miles more range. You impact efficiency and make an even bigger carbon debt when the car is built.
100% this.
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Yeah for sure - but for my use case where granny charging is adequate, it is much more convenient than going to a petrol station.
One of my very regular trips is 110 miles each way, mainly motorway driving. I don't stop on the way there, there is nowhere to charge at the destination, and I don't stop on the way back.
I actually thought a 250 mile EV could do that in all weather at all times of year, but apparently not. My current ICE can do that trip twice on one tank.
As said above, we are moving away from early adopter EV geekdom, and supposedly into mainstream use.
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Agree with education, people are lazy about education of every day things, and people tend to believe what they read or are told by marketing but most people 'just know' that you'll never get a quoted MPG figure as an example, since that is how it has always been yet they don't get upset about that it is just accepted. Perhaps it will just take time for people to accept that ranges differ based on various factors, and that is something them might want to consider if they are not willing to spend some time charging the car after various trip types or in certain weather conditions.
Bigger batteries aren't something I'd think is the option, mainly faster charging and in more places. That will take time, but some people want everything now, so for them a BEV isn't an option it is that simple, I am sure they'll keep complaining that they can't buy one as it doesn't suit their needs though, which is weird in itself.
Electrified vehicles are generally flawed, I think most people understand that now, that they are beta testers for the cars and the infrastructure and you just need to be the type to either accept that or buy ICE.
For me I will always have an ICE as I enjoy the act of driving and currently EVs don't do it for me, most are too heavy and offer a disconnected driving experience, for our family truck though an EV would be perfect once the beta testers have fixed all the half arsed stuff.
For me I will always have an ICE as I enjoy the act of driving and currently EVs don't do it for me, most are too heavy and offer a disconnected driving experience, for our family truck though an EV would be perfect once the beta testers have fixed all the half arsed stuff.
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Arguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use case
Yeah, seems to be a lot of us around...Arguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use case
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Yeah I have a semi-regular 110 mile commute which I can't do in the PUG.
Which is good because technically my company pays ZERO pence per mile versus 45 pence per mile for petrol.
Which is good because technically my company pays ZERO pence per mile versus 45 pence per mile for petrol.
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True. People who are driving too busy to post in forums, whilst other think everyone else should have EV cause it works for themArguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use case
To be fair, I think even my ‘306’ mile standard (short) range model 3 would struggle with that on a really bad winters day, in summer it would be fine. That said, it would only need an hour on a 7kw charger at the destination or 2-3 mins on a decent rapid charger to make it back.
It wouldn’t be an issue in a Long range though or anything with an equivalent WLTP figure.
I’ve always said slow AC destination charging is the key and it always will be.