I wouldn't be surprised to see the next version of NEDC/WLTP type testing include some sort of test for cold weather and warm weather performance if EVs stick around, so as to generate a warm and cold range figure - even if said figures are only really indicative like MPG figures are these days
I also really enjoy not having to go to the petrol station to fill up.
If they can fix the cold weather / winter range issues then I'd be a lot more keen. I'm about 2-3 years out from changing cars so here's hoping.
Don’t need to understand why. Just live with the consequence. Which for me turns a 3h trip into 3.5h and about £10 of food just cause it’s cold.How are you imaging that will be possible in 2-3 years, if at all ever?
Or do you not understand why the range is reduced in colder weather to start with?
The cost advantage of EV has massively eroded now. So don’t rush.I would quite happily get an EV but there isn’t a car out yet that I would be happy with. My E63S for me is the complete package and would like a similar sized/spec saloon which isn’t hideous (thinking EQE/EQS). Would like the idea of driving around in silence but would miss the sound of a v8 as it’s quite an emotional experience
How are you imaging that will be possible in 2-3 years, if at all ever?
Or do you not understand why the range is reduced in colder weather to start with?
^^Don’t need to understand why. Just live with the consequence. Which for me turns a 3h trip into 3.5h and about £10 of food just cause it’s cold.
Also you can’t look at it from your Ev geek eyes if you expect EV to go mainstream.
I’d rather go to a petrol station in than any public charger ! By the time I’ve even started charging my ICE tank would be full.I'd lump that in with range issues. It wasn't that long ago people were debating the merits of AC or no-AC and at what speed it became more economical to open windows etc.
I also really enjoy not having to go to the petrol station to fill up.
No one bought an ICE on range ever. It was never ever quoted as a purchase decision point. Mpg maybe but tbh range isn’t an issue when refilling is so fast. Mpg was the factor which was easy to work out pence per mileEducation and transparency are probably key.
Punters buy a 250 mile car and then are upset when it only does 180 miles in winter, I'd be annoyed too
Bigger batteries (as the costs come down) and clear labelling on range will help
Bigger batteries still need to fit in the car. And why add hundreds of kilos with no other benefit than to just to add a few miles more range. You impact efficiency and make an even bigger carbon debt when the car is built.Education and transparency are probably key.
Punters buy a 250 mile car and then are upset when it only does 180 miles in winter, I'd be annoyed too
Bigger batteries (as the costs come down) and clear labelling on range will help
100% this.Don’t need to understand why. Just live with the consequence. Which for me turns a 3h trip into 3.5h and about £10 of food just cause it’s cold.
Also you can’t look at it from your Ev geek eyes if you expect EV to go mainstream.
Yeah for sure - but for my use case where granny charging is adequate, it is much more convenient than going to a petrol station.I’d rather go to a petrol station in than any public charger ! By the time I’ve even started charging my ICE tank would be full.
4500miles of EV miles in 4months
One of my very regular trips is 110 miles each way, mainly motorway driving. I don't stop on the way there, there is nowhere to charge at the destination, and I don't stop on the way back.Education and transparency are probably key.
Punters buy a 250 mile car and then are upset when it only does 180 miles in winter, I'd be annoyed too
Bigger batteries (as the costs come down) and clear labelling on range will help
Education and transparency are probably key.
Punters buy a 250 mile car and then are upset when it only does 180 miles in winter, I'd be annoyed too
Bigger batteries (as the costs come down) and clear labelling on range will help
Arguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use caseOne of my very regular trips is 110 miles each way, mainly motorway driving. I don't stop on the way there, there is nowhere to charge at the destination, and I don't stop on the way back.
I actually thought a 250 mile EV could do that in all weather at all times of year, but apparently not. My current ICE can do that trip twice on one tank.
As said above, we are moving away from early adopter EV geekdom, and supposedly into mainstream use.
Yeah, seems to be a lot of us around...Arguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use case![]()
True. People who are driving too busy to post in forums, whilst other think everyone else should have EV cause it works for themArguably, your use case isn't necessarily a mainstream use case![]()
To be fair, I think even my ‘306’ mile standard (short) range model 3 would struggle with that on a really bad winters day, in summer it would be fine. That said, it would only need an hour on a 7kw charger at the destination or 2-3 mins on a decent rapid charger to make it back.One of my very regular trips is 110 miles each way, mainly motorway driving. I don't stop on the way there, there is nowhere to charge at the destination, and I don't stop on the way back.
I actually thought a 250 mile EV could do that in all weather at all times of year, but apparently not. My current ICE can do that trip twice on one tank.
As said above, we are moving away from early adopter EV geekdom, and supposedly into mainstream use.