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Oh not you again.
Queues stretching for hours show what it's really like owning a Tesla at Christmas
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National grid say yes and have said yes for years. The vast majority will be incentivised via pricing to charge outside of the 2 peek demand periods so it will actually help level out the grid demand and make it more efficient.
The bottlenecks for public charging is the regulation and the last mile connections with the local grid operators, they have been caught with their pants down and don't have the staff to make all the connections required.
Particularly if V2H takes off and becomes standardised
*raises hand*
Hell, even a journey half that is a pretty regular deal for me - and an EV is always going to complicate that as long as charging times are what they are. Case in point - drove my grandmother home after Christmas, Burton to Ramsbottom and back, door-to-door distance for the route I ended up having to take was ~185 miles. Going up country I could use the M6 up to 21a, then M62, M60, M66. And you go past services, and they do have charging points.
But coming back down I couldn't go that way, because it was essentially static in places and I wanted to be home the same day. So I went back M66, M60, A6 and home via Chapel, Buxton and Ashbourne. Not so many charging points that way. Now, I could start that journey in my ICE car with only half a tank of fuel knowing that I'd be cast-iron guaranteed to make it home without needing to stop. Even on a cold, rainy, crappy day in December with the heater and AC running, lights on, all that jazz. Not gonna happen starting that journey in a half-charged EV, at least not one that costs less than a kidney.
I could have charged at gran's, of course - it would be on regular mains rather than a quick charger so that's taking a while to get any meaningful range added. And I probably could have found a charger on the route home that I took if I really, really needed it and just eat the delay. But it's a damned sight easier doing the job in an ICE car right now. Hopefully EVs and battery tech catch up sometime soon.
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A granny granny charger!
I do a regular 185 mile each way trip to East Yorkshire which is a rapid charger not spot. That would need two rapid charges, once on the way there to make sure I had enough to get back to the rapid charger on the way back.
Now I have sorted out some destination charging, we don’t touch the rapids but I still need to stop for a pee brake somewhere
. When I say destination charging, I mean a 15m extension lead, a drybox and a granny charger. Does the job fine.
Now I have sorted out some destination charging, we don’t touch the rapids but I still need to stop for a pee brake somewhere
. When I say destination charging, I mean a 15m extension lead, a drybox and a granny charger. Does the job fine.SkodaMart
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Isn’t that the ‘predicted’ future?
For us all to be driving an EV whilst pensioners freeze to death and rural areas generate the required electricity partially with fossil fuels.
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100k cars on the road? No.
Musk cultist gathering.
We now have 7 years to sort out the infrastructure. We are never going to make it. In 3 years my local council have a built a grand total of...3 charging points. Though one got driven in to and doesn't work anymore.
As said early, it sort of "works" now because EVs are still a minority.
We now have 7 years to sort out the infrastructure. We are never going to make it. In 3 years my local council have a built a grand total of...3 charging points. Though one got driven in to and doesn't work anymore.
As said early, it sort of "works" now because EVs are still a minority.
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Why are you using the term 'we'? Are you also a Man Utd fan....
This is positive and due to open 1st Feb
www.fleetnews.co.uk
16 x 150kW charging hub & Cafe halfway between Exeter and Plymouth, takes pressure off Exeter & Darts Farm, on top of the Cornwall Service new hub with canopy and the planned Gridserve Forecourt in Plymouth the South West is developing reasonably
This is positive and due to open 1st Feb
Osprey acquires Devon site to create rapid charging hub
A 1.6-acre site in Devon has been acquired by Osprey Charging Network to build an electric vehicle (EV) charging station with 16 rapid chargers.
www.fleetnews.co.uk
16 x 150kW charging hub & Cafe halfway between Exeter and Plymouth, takes pressure off Exeter & Darts Farm, on top of the Cornwall Service new hub with canopy and the planned Gridserve Forecourt in Plymouth the South West is developing reasonably
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It's the few times a year a lot of people go over 200 miles on trips away from just home charging... Oh and your not invited anyway.
Please keep to the context of the thread rather than a petulant child, its boring and tedious and adds no value. kthxbye
Please keep to the context of the thread rather than a petulant child, its boring and tedious and adds no value. kthxbye
Infrastructure is an ongoing development - there isn't a time limit to 'sort it out'.
We have 7 years until new cars cannot be purely ICE - they can still be hybrid. We have 12 years until new cars have to be 'fully zero emission'.
And that's only new car sales - we don't need an infrastructure to cope with all cars being BEV in 7 years time, or even 12 years as there will still be a good proportion of existing ICE vehicles around for a few years after that.
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I think vw might be first to claim that
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Apparently we have the worst infrastructure of public chargers of any country with electric cars which a) doesn't surprise me and b) means we have a big issue with more and more EVs hitting the road.
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It is important to note that this is not conventional hybrid - its plug in hybrid with 'meaningful' electric only range.
You can already see the effect this is beginning to have on some model ranges. Take for instance the BMW 5 Series.
If you want a standard petrol 5 Series saloon there is now only one available model - the 520i. All other regular petrol 5 Series models have been removed from the range, so no more 530i, no more 540i. Interestingly, this is only in the UK market - the rest of the world, including Europe, can still buy a 530i saloon or a 540i saloon.
Instead, you can have a 530e or a 545e which are both plug in hybrid models but with quite a short range and a fuel tank half the size. Who wants a 3 litre petrol turbo 5 Series with a 40 litre fuel tank? Are we really better off with all of these 330e, 530e etc up and down the Motorway which are never plugged in than we were with a 330i or a 530i?
I think what people miss about the '7 year' deadline is that it's a deadline. Manufacturers won't simply stop offering cars in 7 years time. It's beginning right now because development time and product life cycles are measured in years not months. Who would have thought in 2019 that by 2022 you couldn't buy a pure petrol 5 Series saloon that wasn't a 520i or an M Performance/M Power model? And this is on a model range that has no electric alternative - there is no fully electric 5 Series you can buy.
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The worst part about is that it’s not due to a lack of investment from charging companies. They are ready to deploy chargers immediately and have the money available.
Crazy local planning decisions and local electricitynetwork operators who aren’t completing the grid connections fast enough.
I mentioned the bottle neck at south Mimms in an easier post, Tesla want to build a 12 bay supercharger in a hotel car park 3 junctions away but they have been denied planning permission 3 times. The plans are for it to be open to all vehicles.
According to the local council having rapid chargers in an existing over flow car park in the grounds of a posh hotel which is grade 2 listed is an inappropriate development of green belt land and would degrade the significance of the building.
There is a picture in the link below of the car park, I’m not sure how adding a few boxes that cars plug into degrading the significance of the building, it’s literally a car park…. If anything, not having chargers there is going to detrimental to the building in the long term as people will not want to visit and stay there without charging facilities. You really have to wonder how planners actually come to these odd decisions.
Tesla's bid for electric chargers in hotel car park fails again
A car manufacturer has lost yet another attempt to secure planning permission to install electric chargers.
www.watfordobserver.co.uk
yes I don't get this aspect I thought EU laws were demanding 60miles range for best tax breaks and we have the c300e with 25KWh battery, but BMW are not competing with a meagre 330e 12KWh..
maybe bm's new neuklasse architecture will address that ... meanwhile mercedes would be the goto, maybe at a premium though.
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The worst part about is that it’s not due to a lack of investment from charging companies. They are ready to deploy chargers immediately and have the money available.
Crazy local planning decisions and local electricitynetwork operators who aren’t completing the grid connections fast enough.
I mentioned the bottle neck at south Mimms in an easier post, Tesla want to build a 12 bay supercharger in a hotel car park 3 junctions away but they have been denied planning permission 3 times. The plans are for it to be open to all vehicles.
According to the local council having rapid chargers in an existing over flow car park in the grounds of a posh hotel which is grade 2 listed is an inappropriate development of green belt land and would degrade the significance of the building.
There is a picture in the link below of the car park, I’m not sure how adding a few boxes that cars plug into degrading the significance of the building, it’s literally a car park…. If anything, not having chargers there is going to detrimental to the building in the long term as people will not want to visit and stay there without charging facilities. You really have to wonder how planners actually come to these odd decisions.
Tesla's bid for electric chargers in hotel car park fails again
A car manufacturer has lost yet another attempt to secure planning permission to install electric chargers.
I agree with the developers they deffo need to get rid of the carpark and go back to horse and carriage parking only.
There is a massive issue in this country with people who get stuck in a certain timeline as some kind of utopia time point.
You see it in so many scenarios, TV (bah the bloody woke producers), Brexiters (we were better when we had the empire/when i was young), planners, etc
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Its probably more to do with the ratios and how expansive the sales of EVs in the UK have been - primarily company cars with the initial zero and still now very low BIK.
Sorry we don't tolerate 'special' bays here on OCUK.
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