Good start to 2023…

Scania said:
I dislike this automated assistance stuff, my current Scania (HGV) has it, and I distrust it hugely as it likes to activate when it sees parked cars, trees, post boxes… the list is endless.

That said, I leave it activated as in fairness, it’s activated twice recently and saved me from a certain prang!
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I'm 50/50, with Audi pre-sense I've had it activate 3 times in the 2 years we've owned the car. Once when a squirrel ran across the road, and the other 2 times are from idiots who brake late into a junction and the car thinks they're not going to stop.

It makes you **** yourself when it activates, but I'll never turn it off because it will always react quicker than a human, and it'll be the day that a kid or a dog runs out in front of the car and will have prevented a serious accident.
 
HangTime said:
It will, but manual driving is extremely dangerous also, I mean even before the rise of Tesla et all there were over a million people being killed every year in road accidents worldwide.

It's kind of crazy really to think nobody bats an eyelid at technology (human controlled automobiles) that is involved in over 1500 deaths every year in the UK alone. Proportionally as autonomous driving takes off it will be interesting to see how it compares i.e. if that hits 1% of vehicles are they killing 15+ people every year or not.

My feeling is AI will have a big issue with edge cases whereby information is misinterpreted and accidents result, leading to a lot of legal debate and suchlike, just generally slowing down progress and making insurers wary of what cover they offer. That said, because human drivers are so bad and insurance is all about risk, it could be that insurers would still prefer to cover autonomous driving despite there being these occasional freak occurences where AI makes errors a human probably wouldn't, simply because they are better drivers than the average human in the majority of situations.
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100%. As you say it'll be 9/10 instances that it reacts correctly and avoids a serious outcome. People seem to forget just how bad a big proportion of the public's driving is.
 
The thing is computers have advantages over even top tier human drivers, because they have greatly reduced reaction times, ability to tap into more information (sensors etc) and (barring malfunction) are immune to health conditions, distractions or other impairments unrelated to actually driving. What lets them down is they don't really have the ability to interpret new scenarios in the way humans do, by which i mean humans can see something for the first time and dismiss it as an irrelevance / minor threat whereas an AI might consider it a serious threat (this gate being an example - probably it doesn't understand the concept of a hinged item, it considers it as a metal object, and hence very dangerous in a collision scenario).

It then just becomes a balancing act, like how much is the experience of a good human driver worth relative to their terrible mechanical driving skills (to reiterate here, I'm saying good drivers have terrible skills, not just picking on the average/bad drivers).
 
Zero legal comeback on Tesla - Any assists are exactly that... an assist to the driver. The driver is always in control of the vehicle.
 
danlightbulb said:
Yeah I did find out within a few miles that it didn't do it if I indicated. But still, wondered what was going on at first when you try and change lanes and the car doesn't want you to.
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LOL at complaining driving aids don't work well with your poor driving.
 
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I do like forward collision assist - so far it hasn't functioned negatively in any vehicle I've used with such a feature and potentially could be a life saver. Most of the others I turn off - if you need a lane departure warning let alone active lane assist you shouldn't be driving.
 
EvilRob said:
LOL at complaining driving aids don't work well with your poor driving.
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LOL as you well know if youre a decent driver you don't need to use indicators all the time. Empty motorway, changing lanes, who are you indicating to?

Plus the point is, whether it was wrong for me not to indicate or not, that the car fighting back against an action from me as the driver could be dangerous.

If that was a busy motorway, and someone in front of me had swerved or slammed on brakes, then an immediate reaction might be for me to switch lanes away from collision. That moment where the car steering tries to push back against that act could be the difference between me hitting the back of someone or not.
 
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danlightbulb said:
LOL as you well know if youre a decent driver you don't need to use indicators all the time. Empty motorway, changing lanes, who are you indicating to?
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True, probably a bit judgemental although no need for much lane changing on a motorway if there are no other cars :) Coming from looking at so many drivers changing lanes without indicating and thinking to myself "you are probably fighting the lane assist to do that...seriously??"
 
German data did show that with adaptive speed control aid autobahn drivers just drove more closely and ate up some of the additional perceived margin (like assuming your smart car doesn't have to adhere to the laws of physics on a slippery road)
 
These driver aids are now required to get the "coveted" NCAP 5 star rating.

It used to be just safety devices like airbags, side impact protection and ABS that meant cars received high NCAP ratings. Now, vehicles require passive safety aids like auto-headlamps, emergency brake assist, lane keeping aid etc etc to get the high ratings

A secondary advantage is that it gets people more used to these aids so progressively leads towards eventual full auto driving.... By that time, the generations that don't like all this "new fangled technology" will either be dead or given up driving and the people left are the ones who have not known driving without aids.
 
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jpaul said:
German data did show that with adaptive speed control aid autobahn drivers just drove more closely and ate up some of the additional perceived margin (like assuming your smart car doesn't have to adhere to the laws of physics on a slippery road)
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One of the problems I find with having enhanced wet weather tyres - the extra feeling of confidence tends to encourage you to push on - eating into your safety margin if and when they do give up :s it can be difficult to remind myself to be disciplined sometimes.
 
Richie said:
By that time, the generations that don't like all this "new fangled technology" will either be dead or given up driving and the people left are the ones who have not known driving without aids.
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Many of us will be dead before Musk's promise of full self driving is delivered, you've noticed how his goals keep slipping, and, unlike the bikers his cars have crashed into/killed, some thing are further away than you perceive;
Has the government given an update on the auto driving corridors planned for the motorways - the smart motorways, for starters, are not proving a success.
 
danlightbulb said:
LOL as you well know if youre a decent driver you don't need to use indicators all the time. Empty motorway, changing lanes, who are you indicating to?

Plus the point is, whether it was wrong for me not to indicate or not, that the car fighting back against an action from me as the driver could be dangerous.
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Ermm you are indicating your lane change request to the driver of your car!
 
jpaul said:
Many of us will be dead before Musk's promise of full self driving is delivered, you've noticed how his goals keep slipping, and, unlike the bikers his cars have crashed into/killed, some thing are further away than you perceive;
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I wasn't aware I gave a timescale where I perceived it to occur....

People always resist change and, generally, it's the older generations that resist the most especially where technology is involved. Take cheques for example - they still exist now mostly because older people refuse to stop using them even though there are far better alternatives in place.

jpaul said:
Has the government given an update on the auto driving corridors planned for the motorways - the smart motorways, for starters, are not proving a success.
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I'm not sure what smart motorways have to do with vehicle driving aids and/or auto driving...
 
LuckyBenski said:
The 5 letter word starting with S and ending with T, but that's about it. Nothing to do with the actual meaning of that word though.
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Opening and closing lanes on a motorway has no relation with automated driving assistance aids on cars. The 2 are not even comparable.
 
danlightbulb said:
Outright dangerous to have cars making those sorts of decisions, I think automated driving will be fraught with these if it ever takes off.
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Always been the big thing with automated cars, who is responsible if the actions of the car causes a death? it will happen at some point. In general there should be fewer accidents and less deaths than human driving esp looking at some people on the road currently. But its going to be interesting to see how insurances handle it when the accidents start
 
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