COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Catching coughs and colds are just a fact of life - never having either is probably not a good position to be from a long term health perspective. Plus it was lockdowns that stopped them spreading so hardly minor interventions.

WFH is clearly abused so it's completely understandable why employers don't like it.

No one is stopping you from wearing a mask all day - do you?

I am somewhat in agreement as to the first bit - being overly protective against germs and so on works against having a robust immune system capable of dealing with a range of diseases, but even with the lockdowns hugely reducing the circulation of other respiratory diseases we still had individuals coming into work with colds, etc. especially later on when most measures socially had been relaxed but we still had measures internally at work which worked. Unlike most colds/flu though COVID can infect the body on a much larger scope with the virus able to get into many major organs and so on - which is a much bigger deal than coughs and colds being a fact of life.

Short of a full respirator system individuals wearing a mask aren't afforded that much protection in a range of every day circumstances - while even basic masks can make a significant dent in reducing transmission.

Personally I wear a mask as appropriate and probably not as much as I should/could, mostly I avoid situations where I'd be in close proximity to other people for prolonged periods and try to maintain a bit of distance between myself and others in a social setting. There is only limited benefit as an individual when more people than not have given up on any measures.
 
Good grief. Taking a single picture as representative of what happened in reaction to the Spanish Flu :D!

It was clearly just an example... if you are struggling with that...

You can find dozens of pictures and accounts from that pandemic and other outbreaks showing many similar measures and the use of things like lockdowns - one of the more famous ones being The Great Plague 1665/6 albeit more a patchwork of quarantines than a full lockdown but still.
 
Honestly your posts so far are only convincing me you are the reason we even went anywhere near lockdowns rather than trying to use measures relying on people being more responsible/proportional.

My response to Covid was entirely proportional.

I work in a crowded work place. "Essential". I'm going to get it. Data from three cruise ships that had outbreaks puts the mortality rate as 0.02% with an average of 2.5 comorbidities. That's fine I haven't had a bad illness for 20 years.

This virus is still far from done, it potentially has a few tricks up its sleeve so to speak yet, we are already seeing Omicron variants which appear to be rendering existing immunity of less usefulness and if we are heedless we could undo all the work which has been done with vaccines. Some of the mutations like at N234Q in combination with certain E or K mutations would be horrendously bad on paper


No one knows what any of the mutations mean. You're making all this up. The virus is aerosolised and everyone gets exposed to every variant. Unless you live in a cave.
It was clearly just an example... if you are struggling with that...

You can find dozens of pictures and accounts from that pandemic and other outbreaks showing many similar measures and the use of things like lockdowns - one of the more famous ones being The Great Plague 1665/6 albeit more a patchwork of quarantines than a full lockdown but still.

The Plague!!! When people still believed in Miasma!!!
 
We have all been sick over Christmas. Doesn't help that my mother came through Stansted either. Went into Tesco's today and all Lemsip products all sold out so I guess many in a similar position! I guess all this lockdown etc has meant Flu has come back with a vengeance due to lack of mixing with others.
 
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We have all been sick over Christmas. Doesn't help that my mother came through Stansted either. Went into Tesco's today and all Lemsip products all sold out so I guess many in a similar position! I guess all this lockdown etc has meant Flu has come back with a vengeance due to lack of mixing with others.

How long since there has been a lockdown? We’ve all be acting normal for 18 months now!

What I mean is don’t blame there being “more sick” about on something that happened 18 months ago, there is just more sick around :D (because we aren’t used to so much sick as we used to be)
 
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My response to Covid was entirely proportional.

I work in a crowded work place. "Essential". I'm going to get it. Data from three cruise ships that had outbreaks puts the mortality rate as 0.02% with an average of 2.5 comorbidities. That's fine I haven't had a bad illness for 20 years.




No one knows what any of the mutations mean. You're making all this up. The virus is aerosolised and everyone gets exposed to every variant. Unless you live in a cave.


The Plague!!! When people still believed in Miasma!!!

Cruise ships are hardly a good analogue for other, more normal, settings and population distributions. Even most crowded workplaces can put sufficient measures against COVID in place if they actually make an effort - we have a busy office as well as the warehouse at work and we managed right through until measures were dropped.

Some people have been insisting I'm making this stuff up from the first moment the first COVID thread appeared... some exceptions aside I think events have largely proven what I've been saying right - for instance wasn't that long ago I was saying the vaccines were not very effective, with short weeks of protection at most, against direct transmission to much opposition to such an opinion :s

Not even sure how to take your flippant last part of that post as it just looks ridiculous.
 
How long since there has been a lockdown? We’ve all be acting normal for 18 months now!

What I mean is don’t blame there being “more sick” about on something that happened 18 months ago, there is just more sick around :D (because we aren’t used to so much sick as we used to be)

First winter. People were still wearing masks till spring 22.
 
We have all been sick over Christmas. Doesn't help that my mother came through Stansted either. Went into Tesco's today and all Lemsip products all sold out so I guess many in a similar position! I guess all this lockdown etc has meant Flu has come back with a vengeance due to lack of mixing with others.

I had to pop into Sainsbury's couple of days ago, don't normally go out shopping but had some vouchers for Christmas I couldn't use online :( and noticed at checkout both the people behind and in-front of me had loaded up on the cough medicine and most of the shelves of cold/flu medicine were cleared out. Seems to be a pretty nasty flu variant going around at the moment which is leaving a lot of people with a deathly cough.
 
Cruise ships are hardly a good analogue for other, more normal, settings and population distributions. Even most crowded workplaces can put sufficient measures against COVID in place if they actually make an effort - we have a busy office as well as the warehouse at work and we managed right through until measures were dropped.

Cruise ships were an almost perfect test for the lethality of Covid, hence the initial response of not doing much. Very crowded, often accidentally poor hygiene, mostly over 60s, often inside, heavy drinking, poor ventilation etc.

Some people have been insisting I'm making this stuff up from the first moment the first COVID thread appeared... some exceptions aside I think events have largely proven what I've been saying right - for instance wasn't that long ago I was saying the vaccines were not very effective, with short weeks of protection at most, against direct transmission to much opposition to such an opinion :s

Well that I do agree with. The vaccines are useless you're 60+, obese, diabetic, have cancer etc.

Not even sure how to take your flippant last part of that post as it just looks ridiculous.


It wasn't flippant at all. Are you seriously comparing reactions to Covid with the plague and Miasma theory? Seriously?
 
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The shelves are clear of cold/flu remedies just like the shelves were clear of toilet paper (when nobody had the runs )

We seem to be going through a cold/flu wave (regular occurrence) and the media have terrified the usual suspects.
 
Cruise ships were an almost perfect test for the lethality of Covid, hence the initial response of not doing much. Very crowded, often accidentally poor hygiene, mostly over 60s, often inside, heavy drinking, poor ventilation etc.

Cruise ships are missing many factors and the demographic even of the main customers tends to be a fairly specific sub-set of that age group. Not sure where you are getting the stats from either as that doesn't match up with the significant outbreaks individually or collectively.

It wasn't flippant at all. Are you seriously comparing reactions to Covid with the plague and Miasma theory? Seriously?

Hardly - I was pointing out examples that measures like lockdowns aren't a new thing, if somewhat adapted for a different age.
 
The shelves are clear of cold/flu remedies just like the shelves were clear of toilet paper (when nobody had the runs )

We seem to be going through a cold/flu wave (regular occurrence) and the media have terrified the usual suspects.

I still remember at the height of the toilet paper shortage opening up a cupboard I'd just chucked stuff in from moving house a few months earlier and behind a box was like 36 toilet rolls I'd forgotten about - I just had to laugh hysterically to myself for a moment.
 
About an hour before I finished work, I felt the general urghness you get before you get before a cold.

Did a LFT and negative

Worth checking a few times I didn't test positive till a good 3-4 days after symptoms started and even on my worst feeling day it was negative. Tested positive the next day
 
Worth checking a few times I didn't test positive till a good 3-4 days after symptoms started and even on my worst feeling day it was negative. Tested positive the next day

Soon as the sore throat came on bam I was immediately testing positive, same for all my family with this outbreak - but most of my family had the sore throat come on within hours of first feeling ill whereas took 2 days for me.

I might be wrong but seems to me I had 3 clusters of infection - back of throat/nose, top of the bronchi and somewhere in my gut - I can still feel some minor discomfort behind my shoulder blades around where the top of the bronchi is which maybe is behind the residual cough I've got. For some reason the majority of the infection seems to have been shifted towards the gut for me - the sore throat and many of the other symptoms the rest of my family had cleared up in 2-3 days really while my digestive system was in hell for 6 days and still not back to 100% yet.
 
It's very weird how affects everyone different I had the mildest of sore throats more than anything was just a slightly croaky voice, but did have bad fevers, random aches (legs, groin, hands), head fog (couldn't hardly think straight), bad cough and loss of smell

Still have cough at day 10
 
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Hardly - I was pointing out examples that measures like lockdowns aren't a new thing, if somewhat adapted for a different age.

There was no such thing as a lockdown pre 2020. It was unprecedented CCP nonsense. You're comparing basic containment and hygiene measures (effective or otherwise) and the plague where the only containment measure enacted was rich people having the power and wealth to avoid the Miasma of everyone else (which probably coincidentally benefited them through improved hygiene) with a total societal upheaval comparable to war or famine.
 
There was no such thing as a lockdown pre 2020. It was unprecedented CCP nonsense. You're comparing basic containment and hygiene measures (effective or otherwise) and the plague where the only containment measure enacted was rich people having the power and wealth to avoid the Miasma of everyone else (which probably coincidentally benefited them through improved hygiene) with a total societal upheaval comparable to war or famine.

While nothing of the scale of the lockdowns - you were talking like it was some new notion and unprecedented such measures on varying scales have been used for a long time to try and contain the spread of diseases or to ease the burden on medical services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(medicine)

Prior to 2010 we used to have extensive plans for things from small scale quarantined areas through to larger scale lockdowns in the event of disease outbreaks, albeit the stuff I'm aware of was more aimed at possible terror attacks and smaller outbreaks. For some reason such planning was abandoned in more recent years.
 
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