What is the average graphic card on the market at the moment?

Purgatory · 22 Jan 2023 at 15:07

Tetras said:
I'd say the 'midrange' is 6700 XT / 3060 Ti level, which is entry-1440p. 1080p seems to be considered 'budget' nowadays.

This is the best answer and where I would be spending my money on a decent midrange/average good build now. Perfect cards for the money and will give you many years of fun at 1440p and the odd new AAA 4k games too that fit the VRAM and don't need massive gpu power and all the years older games will run perfectly too if you have a stack of old games you haven't got round to play you will just hit ultra settings and enjoy them at their full settings.

Shroud · 22 Jan 2023 at 15:20

Purgatory said:
Never had a gpu/graphics card die in over 30+ years new or second hand or B grade cards. Had a fan fail on one card I remember and was easy enough to replace and buy a new one so normal wear and tear that got the fan in the end.

I dont know if youve been lucky or ive been unlucky but ive had 3 gpus fail on me since PC gaming from 1998 ( everything stock, no overclocking ), thats including taking a break from 2012 to 2021, I have nothing but bitter memories of gpu issues, perhaps build quality is better now than it was in the 2000-2010 era,

still, you can find stories even these days of people buying second hand only for it to go faulty shortly after, and pretty much every company says NO warranty on used purchases.

Further theres a lot of RMA statistics online where you can see gpu RMA rates are between 5%-1.5%, ... if I buy a £500 gpu I expect to get a bare minimum 3 years out of it without failing, the warranty provides the insurance for that period, buying second hand is a £500 gamble.

Fubsy · 22 Jan 2023 at 17:32

Tinek said:
Not a used one, though - Nvidia specifically states in their terms that second hand means no warranty, period.

Of course they do, the scummy bummys. Still, it's ocuk and we help each other out on the mm I hope.

varkanoid · 22 Jan 2023 at 19:55

Shroud said:
Im surprised at the amount of people recommending the used market, gpus have highest failure rate of any component = you want a warranty.

I`m surprised at such a sweeping generalised statement without any proof to back it up.

The auction sites and 2nd hand sites do all right selling them.
Nothing wrong with buying a 2nd hand GPU. I've bought plenty and none have died on me. I've probably had more new ones with warranty encounter issues.

0h_no_not_again · 23 Jan 2023 at 07:11

Have just seen some of the rumoured 4070 and 4060ti on Videocards: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...dated-to-160w-tdp-now-less-power-than-3060-ti

Man, the 4060ti is shaping up to be a really boring card. Lower power & memory bandwidth than the existing 3060ti. It's going to be a 3070ti competitor, and my guess is will only perform acceptably at 4k using DLSS due to extreme memory size and bandwidth limitations...

4070 looks like it will be quite close to the 4070ti except for a lower power limit. Depending on price, I'll be tempted to mod the power limiting on these, because I bet my left knacker NV will be locking it in BIOS. Can't stop a shunt mod though...

Tinek · 23 Jan 2023 at 11:24

Fubsy said:
Of course they do, the scummy bummys. Still, it's ocuk and we help each other out on the mm I hope.

That's a matter of trust between private buyer and seller. It can go either way.

nomadd · 23 Jan 2023 at 11:31

Scania said:
1080ti is where the sweet spot is at, I'm so sure, I have two of them....

+1

But only if you already have one (I do).

Besty · 23 Jan 2023 at 11:54

source: https://youtu.be/NKLzJKW4mOY

I would probably buy a 6800XT.

kieran_read · 23 Jan 2023 at 13:05

JollyJamma said:
Steam hardware survey says Nvidia 1060 6gig but I think you mean what’s the best bang for the buck.

6600XT/6650XT are probably what you’re after.

Cost Per Frame: Best Value Graphics Cards in Early 2023

With the recent launch of new GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia, it's time to take a look into what graphics cards are the best value right...

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Excellent deal on OCUK too, £340 with 2 free games

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-39y-sp.html

humbug · 23 Jan 2023 at 13:20

JollyJamma said:
Steam hardware survey says Nvidia 1060 6gig but I think you mean what’s the best bang for the buck.

6600XT/6650XT are probably what you’re after.

Cost Per Frame: Best Value Graphics Cards in Early 2023

With the recent launch of new GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia, it's time to take a look into what graphics cards are the best value right...

www.techspot.com

Accurate....

The RX 6650XT is cheaper and faster than the 3060 12GB, you would have to be special to know that and still buy the 3060.

At The Gates · 23 Jan 2023 at 17:51

If you live in a country where that's actually true..For us the 6650XT is nearly £385 whereas you can pickup a 3060 OC edition for £315. The hilarious memes and MRSP value charts are great if anything was actually sold anywhere near MRSP.

kalniel · 23 Jan 2023 at 18:44

I'm still gaming at 1440p on a 6.5yr old 1060. Yes, I'd like a better card for MSFS, but there's still some enjoyment there, and every other game I play is fine at less than top settings. For bargain gaming I'd go with a 1660 especially if on 1080p.

JollyJamma · 24 Jan 2023 at 09:06

kalniel said:
I'm still gaming at 1440p on a 6.5yr old 1060. Yes, I'd like a better card for MSFS, but there's still some enjoyment there, and every other game I play is fine at less than top settings. For bargain gaming I'd go with a 1660 especially if on 1080p.

MSFS on a 1060 at 1440P? How many FPS do you get, both of them?

kalniel · 24 Jan 2023 at 09:54

JollyJamma said:
MSFS on a 1060 at 1440P? How many FPS do you get, both of them?

MSFS is the game I want to buy a new card for. At the moment I have to play on roughly high settings and get around 30fps from memory - but let me just go and check (update pending). It's still beautiful and fun, but definitely could do with a better card for that game. The other games I play are fine.

edit: just checked, High settings with draw distances pushed out a bit, gettings 29-30fps over cities, 27-29 over dense forests. Not ideal, but not the end of the world.

JollyJamma · 24 Jan 2023 at 10:33

kalniel said:
MSFS is the game I want to buy a new card for. At the moment I have to play on roughly high settings and get around 30fps from memory - but let me just go and check (update pending). It's still beautiful and fun, but definitely could do with a better card for that game. The other games I play are fine.

edit: just checked, High settings with draw distances pushed out a bit, gettings 29-30fps over cities, 27-29 over dense forests. Not ideal, but not the end of the world.

I take it that the game engine is kind to a GPU at lower settings? I know that on high settings, it'll bring even a high end GPU to its knees.

Looking at the below 1440P data, I'd probably look for a second hand 5700XT or 2070 Super. Given the recent dump of AMD cards, pricing is low for them and if you can find a non ex-mining card that comes with a warranty, it should be great.

Just had a quick look on the second hand market side and there are good versions of the 5700XT changing hands for ~£180 to ~£220. That's peanuts for a proper upgrade.

I might look at 10+gigs of VRAM but at £180, I can't argue the huge amounts of value you'd get.

Poneros · 24 Jan 2023 at 11:29

Do not go below a 3060 if going with Nvidia. Otherwise an AMD 6600XT/6650XT is a great card too.

HangTime · 24 Jan 2023 at 13:41

Shroud said:
gpus have highest failure rate of any component

Do you have a source for that? My understanding was it is likely to be hard drives followed by PSU.
(edit: that's also my anecdotal experience in that I've had two HDD failures and two PSU failures, only one GPU failure and I was able to fix that by putting it in the oven)

BUDFORCE · 24 Jan 2023 at 13:42

HangTime said:
Do you have a source for that? My understanding was it is likely to be hard drives followed by PSU.

I'd say motherboards personally, based on personal experience and from what I have read over the years, I have no other statistics or official figures to back that up however.

Purgatory · 24 Jan 2023 at 13:46

HangTime said:
Do you have a source for that? My understanding was it is likely to be hard drives followed by PSU.

I can name a huge list of things that fail in a pc before a graphics card too.

Graphics cards without known issues are pretty solid like cpus, just the fans on them are a failure point but easily replaceable. It really just depends on the make and model like any device that may have an underlying fault in manufacturing or design. In my experience and a collector of old graphics cards and hardware, graphics cards are right up there with cpus and as they age maybe capacitors need to be replaced but even then never had any so far with failed caps too. It comes down to how you store components and use them in a manner that is in spec and I find thankfully I don't have issues.

I would put motherboards higher up than graphics and anything with moving parts or a battery that can leak and damage electronics.

Bill Turnip · 24 Jan 2023 at 14:00

HangTime said:
only one GPU failure and I was able to fix that by putting it in the oven

What issue did that solve, was it a poor solder joint?