COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Have to admit I now don't think of covid at all or take any precautions. Probably happened over December ish.

Now the only interest I have is getting my 20 pounds a month for doing the blood tests from the ONS.

I think I've been given 700+ pounds so far
 
Mickie said:
I’m suspicious of the vaccine when so many people are still dying vaccinated.
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are you suspicious of seatbelts because many people die in car accidents even if they are wearing a belt?

the analogy works even better because, i bet if you look into it some people WILL have died due to complications with the belt (this is demonstably true of airbags)

but very few people would argue that as a whole........ seatbelts (and airbags) save lives.

the vaccines do have some very well publicised rare side effects, mostly minor, for some pretty bad............ but these are incredibly similar to many of the side effects of covid...... AND they are less likely to happen with the vaccine than they are covid.

damn i promised myself i was not gonna get sucked in!.
 
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413x said:
Have to admit I now don't think of covid at all or take any precautions. Probably happened over December ish.

Now the only interest I have is getting my 20 pounds a month for doing the blood tests from the ONS.

I think I've been given 700+ pounds so far
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Honestly this thread is the only thing that reminds me of it - it's mentioned a little in the news but only when talking about the economy, otherwise no one I speak to seems to even consider it now - but I work in a very team / people oriented industry so being around people is a core activity for us regardless. Everyone is back to hugging one another and socialising which is lovely to see.
 
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Looks good, wait a minute... ENHANCE!

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This weeks update, hope it doesn't go up too much.

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Mickie said:
Reciting memories you have isn’t good data, you’re as much in the dark about long term illness as I am regarding covid.

Chris witty said 99% survival rate in the uk. Of that 1% people would be hospitalised and a smaller % would die.

who are the people most affected and of those people, are a high % of those VD deficient?

I’m suspicious of the vaccine when so many people are still dying vaccinated.
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Ah so because we don't know how bad something could be long term it's not worth taking any precautions, even though you know exactly how bad it is in the "short term" (up to nearly a year after the first covid cases, before the vaccine).

Also you seem to be misunderstanding what "survival rate" is, as you state that 1% of people would be hospitalised and a smaller amount would die, survival rate is exactly that, the expected survival rate, if you've got a 99% survival rate expected then by definition you expect 1% to die, it doesn't even attempt to go into how many people will have complications as that's a different set of stats that are often not understood until years or decades later (but we already knew some of that within months).
Polio had a 90-95% survival rate for those infected, but a very large number of the initial 90-95% who survived had complications that ranged from the mild, to the extremely severe (partial or full paralysis, loss of limb function, need to have the classic "iron lung" devices), and a lot of the survivors eventually died of complication from the initial infection.
In much the way you can survive a car crash, but be left in a wheelchair, or you can survive stepping on a land mine but lose a limb.
Or as a more extreme but common and very related example, from memory HPV (herpes) has basically no fatalities from the initial infection, but we know it can and does cause cervical cancer which can/does kill you and that a vaccine will prevent that, so the survival rate from it may be 100% short term, but long term at least half the population is at a significantly increased risk of death from something that we can now trace back to it (after decades of research).
 
Freefaller said:
Everyone is back to hugging one another and socialising which is lovely to see.
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Hugging people is very much not normal (aside from between people who are friends/family outside of work) in any business I've worked in, especially these days heh.

I can literally remember every instance in the last ~20 years it is so uncommon.
 
Mickie said:
Reciting memories you have isn’t good data, you’re as much in the dark about long term illness as I am regarding covid.

Chris witty said 99% survival rate in the uk. Of that 1% people would be hospitalised and a smaller % would die.

who are the people most affected and of those people, are a high % of those VD deficient?

I’m suspicious of the vaccine when so many people are still dying vaccinated.
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The vast majority of people are vaccinated, so of course most people dying would be vaccinated, I'm sure you're not actually that unintelligent right?
 
Rroff said:
Hugging people is very much not normal (aside from between people who are friends/family outside of work) in any business I've worked in, especially these days heh.

I can literally remember every instance in the last ~20 years it is so uncommon.
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I work in a school, hugging is a daily occurrence between colleagues.
 
How anyone with any sort of intelligence can doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines is beyond me.
Oh and some time in the distant future, all those vaccinated are going to suffer some terrible fate.
 
Kicking off again with the those pesky cardiologists:

www.hartgroup.org

Joint open letter to Charity Commission – HART

Joint Open Letter from Doctors for Patients UK, HART and the UK Medical Freedom Alliance to Helen Stephenson, CEO, Charity Commission Re: Allegations that the British Heart Foundation (BHF) is involved in concealing and withholding important information relating to harms to cardiac function...
www.hartgroup.org www.hartgroup.org

Are they even doctors?
 
Slam62 said:
How anyone with any sort of intelligence can doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines is beyond me.
Oh and some time in the distant future, all those vaccinated are going to suffer some terrible fate.
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You shouldn't keep that sort of info to yourself, spill the beans we have to know!!!!!!!! :eek:
 
Rroff said:
Hugging people is very much not normal (aside from between people who are friends/family outside of work) in any business I've worked in, especially these days heh.

I can literally remember every instance in the last ~20 years it is so uncommon.
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In your sector maybe. But most of the people I work with I end up being friends with, men or women. Hugging is not in the least bit weird. When I used to work in a far more dry corporate environment it was more that way but then you go to the smaller offices or for a beer or two and everyone ends up being more tactile. Human beings don't need to be formal all the time.

Whilst I respect things like the Japanese culture, it's definitely not for me.
 
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Werewolf said:
Ah so because we don't know how bad something could be long term it's not worth taking any precautions, even though you know exactly how bad it is in the "short term" (up to nearly a year after the first covid cases, before the vaccine).

Also you seem to be misunderstanding what "survival rate" is, as you state that 1% of people would be hospitalised and a smaller amount would die, survival rate is exactly that, the expected survival rate, if you've got a 99% survival rate expected then by definition you expect 1% to die, it doesn't even attempt to go into how many people will have complications as that's a different set of stats that are often not understood until years or decades later (but we already knew some of that within months).
Polio had a 90-95% survival rate for those infected, but a very large number of the initial 90-95% who survived had complications that ranged from the mild, to the extremely severe (partial or full paralysis, loss of limb function, need to have the classic "iron lung" devices), and a lot of the survivors eventually died of complication from the initial infection.
In much the way you can survive a car crash, but be left in a wheelchair, or you can survive stepping on a land mine but lose a limb.
Or as a more extreme but common and very related example, from memory HPV (herpes) has basically no fatalities from the initial infection, but we know it can and does cause cervical cancer which can/does kill you and that a vaccine will prevent that, so the survival rate from it may be 100% short term, but long term at least half the population is at a significantly increased risk of death from something that we can now trace back to it (after decades of research).
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I can only assume going off a lack of media coverage that hardly anyone at all has long term harm from the virus that got over it. Witty said most would recover at home, 99% of people and this was before a vaccine come about, the 1% would end up in hospital and a smaller % might die. Ive not seen anything on the % of people with long term affects. They only talked about long covid that should go away after a while, some talked about lung damage but I've not heard anything about it for ages.
 
When ONS death stats are normalised and adjusted for known inaccuracies, they appear to show vaccinated people are more likely to die than unvaccinated people just generally across almost every age group. Bit of a hooha over that especially given that the ONS abruptly stopped publising the raw data and complaints about the inaccuracies were later upheld by the Office of Statistics Regulator who agreed that the biases in the raw data, meant that no conclusion could be reached on the safety or effectiveness of covid vaccines.

Staticians are beginning to come to the same conclusion in the US as far as I'm aware now as well.
 
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