COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Allnamestaken said:
The chance of fatality from the wearing of mask was higher than covid :D :D :D :D .








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I've had my concerns about long term mask wearing, still wonder if there are consequences - but so far I've not had any problems personally and I was wearing them 8-12 hours on shifts for a good part of the pandemic and there are industries where that has been standard for years without major consequences - the studies of those industries don't tend to note any adverse effects for most people beyond a minority having short term issues with headaches and acne/skin conditions.
 
Rroff said:
I've had my concerns about long term mask wearing, still wonder if there are consequences - but so far I've not had any problems personally and I was wearing them 8-12 hours on shifts for a good part of the pandemic and there are industries where that has been standard for years without major consequences - the studies of those industries don't tend to note any adverse effects for most people beyond a minority having short term issues with headaches and acne/skin conditions.
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We only need to look at countries that regularly wear masks outside of pandemics to see that they are effective generally.
Lots of Asian countries wear masks daily and have been for as long as I can remember.

I'm not saying thats something the west should do but its laughable that in the west the idea of wearing a mask during a pandemic (short term) causes such an upset lol.
 
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Allnamestaken said:
We only need to look at countries that regularly wear masks outside of pandemics to see that they are effective generally.
Lots of Asian countries wear masks daily and have been for as long as I can remember.

I'm not saying thats something the west should do but its laughable that in the west the idea of wearing a mask during a pandemic causes such an upset lol.
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Wait until these guys hear about plasters :D
 
If masks were worn properly and people understood how they worked then I think it would be different. That said I think the language and the fear mongering was far more dangerous than people not wearing masks properly or not having proper masks on.

I use a respirator when doing some horrible dusty/dirty jobs they do work if you do a proper face fit test on them. Just like I wear safety goggles and wear other ppe when I'm out on major infrastructure projects - they won't stop a slab of concrete killing me, but it reduces the chances of some injuries and makes me more visible.

PPE + proper briefing is what works not the half arsed approach and toxic language the media and government used to whip people up into a frenzy.
 
Allnamestaken said:
We only need to look at countries that regularly wear masks outside of pandemics to see that they are effective generally.
Lots of Asian countries wear masks daily and have been for as long as I can remember.

I'm not saying thats something the west should do but its laughable that in the west the idea of wearing a mask during a pandemic (short term) causes such an upset lol.
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Asian countries have cultures of doing things to benefit your fellow man as the default.

In the west, we are individualistic and selfish as ****. I'm alright, Jack.
 
Tephnos said:
Asian countries have cultures of doing things to benefit your fellow man as the default.

In the west, we are individualistic and selfish as ****. I'm alright, Jack.
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That's true to a certain extent, but not unilateral and not across all Asian cultures. Japan probably is closer to your example.
However a lot of Asian countries used to wear masks primarily for pollution reasons.
 
Tephnos said:
Asian countries have cultures of doing things to benefit your fellow man as the default.

In the west, we are individualistic and selfish as ****. I'm alright, Jack.
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We also seem to have a lot of fragile people who interpret everything as being a personal an attack on themselves.

They're very happy to vote away actual freedoms and financial well-being but being asked to wear a mask? That's just a step too far.
 
Devilman said:
Show us some REAL evidence and maybe we might consider the possibility of it being true.

Posting some "under the table pub chat" video and You'll be treated with the contempt it deserves.

Posting some "I think you're just afraid it might be true" horse excrement and all it proves is your level of projection is off the charts.
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I think there's been more than enough skulduggery revelations surrounding the vaccines already. So instead of dismissing with contempt just because it doesn't suit (a very common trend in this thread), how about you provide some evidence to the contrary?

I'd be happy to learn he actually works at Walmart, or something equally comical.


CapitalOne said:
Now that's doing your own research
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Must be hard for you. How many vaccines did you get?

Werewolf said:
Look up vertias's legal history.

They're a bunch of lying grifters and criminals at best, it's amazing they've not seen the inside of a jail cell yet given some of what they've been up to (they broke into a judges rooms to try and tap his phone from memory, as well as others).
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I'm sure the people they're targeting are far worse? If they have to fight dirty for the greater good, then so be it.

Can't make an omelette, etc.


mattyprice4004 said:
The classic reply :D
No one’s afraid of that, it’s just nonsense as usual so there’s no point worrying about it.
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Maybe it is nonsense. Doesn't look good when you try to destroy evidence, though.
 
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There are reasons why respected journalists tend to have ethics and legal training...and why Veritas have about a 50% rate of being sued or charged in relation to their "big" videos (and why they've then been found guilty/had to pay compensation and issues apologies).

Apparently the video has some context that veritas forgot to edit out, namely that the guy was on what he thought was a date and admits that he's bigging up his position in the company/knowledge about vaccines to impress his date/go along with her questions. This again is a fairly standard veritas tactic, and one that has got them in trouble before when they did an "expose" and it turned out the person they were exposing had immediately gone to their bosses and police about the person who they'd been humouring to get them out of their office as they'd feared what would happen otherwise. Basically arrange meetings with people, then try and get them to say what they want them to regardless of the situation by asking leading questions, and apparently catfishing with fake dates is one of the best ways to do that if you can find someone in the organisation that is willing to try and impress a pretty girl.

So yeah, anything project veritas "exposes" is pretty much automatically to be taken with a couple of gritting trucks worth of salt.

*and their main guy is banned from working for non profits in several states, something else that has got them in trouble when they've "forgotten" to disclose that when applying for non profit status.
 
Smokey Deza said:
I think there's been more than enough skulduggery revelations surrounding the vaccines already. So instead of dismissing with contempt just because it doesn't suit (a very common trend in this thread), how about you provide some evidence to the contrary?
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You make the claim(s) you provide the evidence.

I dismiss it with contempt because the "source" (John Campbell) in this case was a retired Nurse who has ZERO qualifications in immunology, virology or a whole host of other required disciplines to even attempt to be an "expert" and make the claims he has made.

If a source has been shown to repeatedly misrepresent the evidence and push narratives that are entirely false (Ivermectin for example) then at what point exactly do you decide they are no longer to be regarded as a "trusted source" or even a "reliable source" ?

It amazes me that even now, people continue to post videos from that clown as if it somehow vindicates their claims of dodgy vaccines. It's utterly laughable.

Smokey Deza said:
I'm sure the people they're targeting are far worse? If they have to fight dirty for the greater good, then so be it.

Can't make an omelette, etc.
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You're sure are you? Oh well that's OK then, problem solved, case closed.

Your attempted justification for their repeated legal issues as highlighted by @Werewolf as "can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" combined with your absolute assuredness that they "must be targetting people who are far worse" speaks volumes about your capacity for critical thinking and honesty.

It's interesting that people who are fast to point fingers about possible "conspiracies, coverups or other skulduggery" are so willing to overlook multiple counts of (verified) false information, even to the point where the source(s) have lost legal cases over it but those lies and misinformation are flagrantly dismissed as "just breaking a few eggs to make an omlette" with a flippant "then so be it".



When the omelette is made with nothing but lies, why do you so willingly eat it?
 
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I think it's as simple as the truth is often more "boring" than the theories.

It's that or people have dug themselves into a hole so deep they insist on keeping going.
 
CapitalOne said:
I think it's as simple as the truth is often more "boring" than the theories.

It's that or people have dug themselves into a hole so deep they insist on keeping going.
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Agreed, Plus some are trolls and I think some are genuinely just contrarians. They do not actually believe the position they argue for / from, but do it anyway just to be "against the grain" like some kid trying to be "edgy".

I do find it truly perplexing though that people can be so willing to totally ignore multiple verified reports of lies, misinformation and even legal losses from a source, so long as the stories they're running align with that persons pre-existing viewpoint.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
You should have stuck with the car crash analogy of the other poster. Yours makes no sense.
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The issue with comparing it with seat belts is that seat belts actually have meta studies showing risk reduction in injuries from car crashes (though they may increase some specific types of injuries, eg neck injuries particularly stands out in the results).

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Seatbelt use and risk of major injuries sustained by vehicle occupants during motor-vehicle crashes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of cohort studies - PubMed

In sum, the risk of most major road traffic injuries is lower in seatbelt users. Findings were inconclusive regarding seatbelt use and susceptibility to thoracic, head and neck injuries during road traffic accidents. Awareness should be raised about the dangers of inadequate seatbelt use. Future...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Overall, the risk of any major injury was significantly lower in belted passengers compared to unbelted passengers (RR 0.47; 95%CI, 0.29 to 0.80; I2 = 99.7; P = 0.000). When analysed by crash types, belt use significantly reduced the risk of any injury (RR 0.35; 95%CI, 0.24 to 0.52). Seatbelt use reduces the risk of facial injuries (RR = 0.56, 95% CI = 0.37 to 0.84), abdominal injuries (RR = 0.87; 95% CI = 0.78 to 0.98) and, spinal injuries (RR = 0.56, 95% CI = 0.37 to 0.84). However, we found no statistically significant difference in risk of head injuries (RR = 0.49; 95% CI = 0.22 to 1.08), neck injuries (RR = 0.69: 95%CI 0.07 to 6.44), thoracic injuries (RR 0.96, 95%CI, 0.74 to 1.24), upper limb injuries (RR = 1.05, 95%CI 0.83 to 1.34) and lower limb injuries (RR = 0.77, 95%CI 0.58 to 1.04) between belted and non-belted passengers.
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The irony about the Veritas "scoop" about periods is that this isn't exactly new information.

www.nih.gov

Study confirms link between COVID-19 vaccination and temporary increase in menstrual cycle length

Large NIH-funded study included participants in North America and Europe.
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov

www.reuters.com

EU regulator recommends adding heavy periods to side effects of mRNA COVID shots

A European Medicines Agency (EMA) committee on Friday recommended adding heavy menstrual bleeding to the list of side effect of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines made by Moderna , as well as Pfizer and its partner BioNTech .
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
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