COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

potatolord said:
At the end of February, the risk of transmission from overseas travel was clear and understood. There were some exciting projections doing the rounds, even then.

That borders remained open as long as they did was idiotic, at best.

I still fume when I think of that ****bag on the news moaning he was quarantined on his return from skiing.
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Most every nation thought they could take it on the chin so to speak
 
bigmike20vt said:
the thing which blew my mind was, much of europe was in lockdown.......... but we decided to have a champions league match at anfield!.

yes it was outdoors i guess, but still massively close proximity and there was still presumably large parts that were inside whilst you got to your seat (to be fair only been to anfield once and it was over 25 years ago so am guessing, but certainly old trafford has indoor parts to get to your seat)

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whilst i love to blame the scousers for a lot ;) just to be clear i am not blaming liverpool FC for this... any decision to postpone would have to have come from above.
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In related events, iirc the '20 Cheltenham horse race festival meeting (look who then headed Test And Trace with links to it) and the Stereophonics concert came to a special arrangement with Covid, not to spread among their crowds! :mad:
 
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Knowing what we know now even if we had locked down a week earlier it would still be statistically irrelevant in terms of the number of cases and deaths given people still catch it and die from it 3 years later.
 
n111ck said:
Knowing what we know now even if we had locked down a week earlier it would still be statistically irrelevant in terms of the number of cases and deaths given people still catch it and die from it 3 years later.
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With the benefits of hindsight yes, but it was stupid at the time considering what was happening in Italy.
 
potatolord said:
At the end of February, the risk of transmission from overseas travel was clear and understood. There were some exciting projections doing the rounds, even then.

That borders remained open as long as they did was idiotic, at best.

I still fume when I think of that ****bag on the news moaning he was quarantined on his return from skiing.
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The problem was that it was like the boy who cried wolf, we'd had so many scare stories about various forms of bird flu and the potential for them to be deadly to humans that didn't materalise, that when there actually was a virus no one took it seriously right away. I did, I worked from home, I started sleeping seperately from my now ex-girlfriend who was working in a mental health hospital, and I knew we should've been wearing masks when they told us not to. I don't blame anyone in particular though, there was no real precedent for what happened.
 
UTmaniac said:
It's all very hazy memory now ~3 years on, but I vaguely recall Italy being way ahead on the Covid curve compared to other western countries, in the early weeks of the pandemic.

My god, where did that 3 years go?!
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Some thought Italy's early and large infection toll could be due to the large amount of travel between China and Italy before and during that time, due to the Chinese wanting to get a foothold in the Italian clothing markets by supplying them with low cost textiles.
 
Roar87 said:
The problem was that it was like the boy who cried wolf, we'd had so many scare stories about various forms of bird flu and the potential for them to be deadly to humans that didn't materalise, that when there actually was a virus no one took it seriously right away. I did, I worked from home, I started sleeping seperately from my now ex-girlfriend who was working in a mental health hospital, and I knew we should've been wearing masks when they told us not to. I don't blame anyone in particular though, there was no real precedent for what happened.
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Fair points.

I do know there were some pretty scary projections about, very early on. Those should, in my opinion, have led to action being taken earlier.
 
Day 2 - still no fever, aches or pains - nose is running like a faucet and coughing every so often! I think I will get over this bout pretty quickly with minimal impact (fingers crossed)
 
blairw said:
Day 2 - still no fever, aches or pains - nose is running like a faucet and coughing every so often! I think I will get over this bout pretty quickly with minimal impact (fingers crossed)
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Runny nose early on is a bit of an odd one but personally the first 2 days for me were just the prelude - I thought I'd picked up the flu going around, possible I did get both, until day 3 when it hit me proper.

Roar87 said:
The problem was that it was like the boy who cried wolf, we'd had so many scare stories about various forms of bird flu and the potential for them to be deadly to humans that didn't materalise, that when there actually was a virus no one took it seriously right away. I did, I worked from home, I started sleeping seperately from my now ex-girlfriend who was working in a mental health hospital, and I knew we should've been wearing masks when they told us not to. I don't blame anyone in particular though, there was no real precedent for what happened.
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It is one of the issues with these kind of viruses though - governments, etc. aren't prepared it seems to put the resources in play to understand an outbreak as far as we are able and often they are a step ahead of what we can see - a lose, lose situation really where if you ignore a potentially deadly outbreak it can be catastrophic but in many cases it is an over-reaction.

One of the problems I find with COVID - there was complete inertia early on, no interest in understanding it or doing anything about it or trying to get out ahead of it with measures which were more on our terms then dial it in as needed, then when it became more evident there was a problem it was flap and panic resulting in an over-reaction down the line after what has been the deadliest variant yet had become virtually extinct. While the reduction of severe cases, before Omicron and vaccines, is partly due to advances in treatment, etc. those early scenes of people on oxygen, etc. spilling out into hallways were largely the result of the second variant of the A lineage (S clade) which at its peak made up something like 13 or 19% of cases in the UK and was virtually extinct by the end of 2020.
 
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In fairness I have been feeling under the weather since late last week, I only tested as I was planning a bike ride and I am terrified of Myocardits so wanted to be sure as I wasn't feeling 100% - I may well have been positive a few days before I actually tested.
 
blairw said:
In fairness I have been feeling under the weather since late last week, I only tested as I was planning a bike ride and I am terrified of Myocardits so wanted to be sure as I wasn't feeling 100% - I may well have been positive a few days before I actually tested.
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My mum had a runny nose from about day 4 with it - no one else I know from the cluster of cases we were in had it though. She was probably one of the lightest hit by it - first couple of days only knew she had it because we were regularly testing by that point due to my brother having picked it up. Though like the rest of us she has had intermittent bouts of mild fatigue.
 
blairw said:
In fairness I have been feeling under the weather since late last week, I only tested as I was planning a bike ride and I am terrified of Myocardits so wanted to be sure as I wasn't feeling 100% - I may well have been positive a few days before I actually tested.
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I didn't think of testing until day 5 after an innocent sore throat began, once we were back from holiday. My cycling legs had felt heavy for a few days previous, but I thought that was me doing some "last minute fake fitness boosting" before taking the bike on hol to ride the lovely lanes near Longleat.

Instant positive, I've been unable to do anything near the 60 miles with ~5500 feet climbing over two rides totalling four hours since those first two days of holiday, now just over five months ago.

You ought to know when you can push your cycling efforts after Covid, just like after a cold or flu. Give it at least a week of no more than z2 "endurance" effort, watch for a week two worsening of symptoms, when you feel more yourself see how you feel putting a bit more effort in on the bike. Evaluate post-infection on a day to day basis and adjust intensity according to what your "sensible head" says.
 
Yep this is my third rodeo, I let it end any interest in the bike last year as it hit as I was hitting a great run of fitness and it just sent me spiralling when I couldn't do the events I had signed up for.
I have 2 weeks blocked out in my training, idea will be to start next week with some outside walks, then into Z2 stuff on the bike as I monitor how I feel and my HR data!
 
Anyone know if covid causes bowel polyps, extreme high thyroid antibody levels or constantly enlarged lymph nodes in neck (large swelling to right side of neck)? Im been referred to head and neck dept and had a blood test this morning.

My thyroid antibodies were measuring 35 times than they should in Oct 2022.
 
UTmaniac said:
In related events, iirc the '20 Cheltenham horse race festival meeting (look who then headed Test And Trace with links to it) and the Stereophonics concert came to a special arrangement with Covid, not to spread among their crowds! :mad:
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Also Crufts, which is more international now than it was a few years back.
 
Can you imagine if they had gone through with this.

www.theguardian.com

UK cat cull was considered early in Covid crisis, ex-minister says

James Bethell says government considered whether all pet cats might have to be put down to contain virus
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The UK government considered whether it might have to ask people to exterminate all pet cats during the early days of the Covid pandemic, a former health minister said.

It was unclear whether domestic cats could transmit coronavirus, James Bethell said.

He told Channel 4 News: “What we shouldn’t forget is how little we understood about this disease. There was a moment we were very unclear about whether domestic pets could transmit the disease.

“In fact, there was an idea at one moment that we might have to ask the public to exterminate all the cats in Britain. Can you imagine what would have happened if we had wanted to do that?”

In July 2020, at the height of the Covid crisis, cat owners were warned not to kiss their pets after a female Siamese became the first known animal in the UK to catch the disease.

Margaret Hosie, a professor of comparative virology at Glasgow University who led the screening programme, advised cat owners at the time to “observe very careful hygiene”.
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bigmike20vt said:
the thing which blew my mind was, much of europe was in lockdown.......... but we decided to have a champions league match at anfield!.
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Pretty sure there was also a big horse racing event and Johnson told everybody this is your last weekend.
A rock band tribute weekend went ahead and a friend and the guitarist out of a Thunder tribute band died of Covid.
 
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