I went nearly a year at work after restrictions were relaxed and it became every man for themselves and dodged it despite it going around at work multiple times, then my brother got it and I couldn't escape it - though I think again if people had been a little more careful I might have escaped it - there is only so much you can do unfortunately when other people either don't care or have given up on any measures.
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I went nearly a year at work after restrictions were relaxed and it became every man for themselves and dodged it despite it going around at work multiple times, then my brother got it and I couldn't escape it - though I think again if people had been a little more careful I might have escaped it - there is only so much you can do unfortunately when other people either don't care or have given up on any measures.
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The problem with do what you feel is right for you is there are a lot of selfish ***** that go around spreading it when they dont need to and could take extra precautions.
The reason this is still spreading is because of idiots.
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it's a tough one. I mean logically it could be argued to be pretty silly to electively get on a plane and go abroad on holiday. 100+ people crammed into a small tube from all over the country breathing the same air. we held off as long as we could but kids are only young for so long and at some point you have to weigh up the risks Vs the rewards.
I am in Tenerife now (posting by pool with a beer) I would absolutely not be surprised if one of our party of 8 gets covid.
add to that say you do get covid either just before or whilst on holiday. should people be expected to write off a chunk of change for an illness which .may to them be almost asymptomatic........
I was fully supportive of lockdown before we had the vaccine.once that was out and everyone had had the opportunity to be double jabbed then imo we have entered a phase of living with it. most people wouldn't cancel a holiday with other respiratory illnesses.
don't get me wrong I do still try to be careful and there are so many now who never bothered getting boosters etc but that is on them I guess.
it's not ideal but I think we are at a point now where the onus is on vulnerable people to take precautions and assume the worst of veryone else. maybe that isn't fair but life does have to get back to normal. IF a person infected with COVID approaches someone at risk knowingly they are utter selfish turds...... but if someone at risk knows they have someone positive in their home and they allow them into the same room as them then more fool them as well imo.
I am in Tenerife now (posting by pool with a beer) I would absolutely not be surprised if one of our party of 8 gets covid.
add to that say you do get covid either just before or whilst on holiday. should people be expected to write off a chunk of change for an illness which .may to them be almost asymptomatic........
I was fully supportive of lockdown before we had the vaccine.once that was out and everyone had had the opportunity to be double jabbed then imo we have entered a phase of living with it. most people wouldn't cancel a holiday with other respiratory illnesses.
don't get me wrong I do still try to be careful and there are so many now who never bothered getting boosters etc but that is on them I guess.
it's not ideal but I think we are at a point now where the onus is on vulnerable people to take precautions and assume the worst of veryone else. maybe that isn't fair but life does have to get back to normal. IF a person infected with COVID approaches someone at risk knowingly they are utter selfish turds...... but if someone at risk knows they have someone positive in their home and they allow them into the same room as them then more fool them as well imo.
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Yup
I'm still annoyed at my sister who just before Christmas popped in for a visit and made a joke about us being scared of germs when she started coughing.
It turned out she and my niece were both feeling unwell and had the flu, it put my dad into hospital* (he's still not recovered properly) and utterly screwed us all up as it also floored me and put my brother in bed for close to 4 weeks**.
This wasn't just a general "oh covid is other" bit of stupidity, it was a basic "you don't go visiting the elderly when you're ill" stupidity which is part of the reason it annoyed me so much.
*Looking back it was almost funny when the triage nurse started taking my dad's vitals, "hmm that's odd, let's try again, sorry let's try your other finger, ok I'm going to do this manually....let's double check that" as she tried to take his pulse, followed by a very quick hook up to the ECG and a fast walk (with my dad in a wheelchair) over to resuss as it turned out his heart was hitting 190.
**We've all got health issues, and my dad is in his 80's, the flu seems to have made what was a minor issue with his heart worse.
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What is it with COVID and sisters LOL - mine is full on about having to live with it and doesn't care if it puts anyone at risk. If my parents hadn't have already picked it up at Christmas she'd have likely passed it on to them as the "cold" she had turned out to be COVID most likely as her friends all went down with COVID about that time.
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It's the WHAT EVERRRRRRRRR Mentality a lot of sisters have
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I think the vulnerable should always have been the ones that were protected rather than the young fit and healthy living in solidarity for them. The long term impacts to society, schooling and mental health are going to take a long time to recover from and in my opinion more serious than covid for those non vulnerable people. The economy maybe less so, as the B word saw to our demise there but the fact that people were relying on furlough, and people lost their livelyhoods again is a cost we and our children and possibly their children will feel.
Ok at the time people didn't know better but it seems they realise this now. Just wish they were more honest about it. Let's face it the manipulation of society and people was abhorrent. I think the lockdown was the right theory but was badly executed, and besides look at the counties that tried full lockdowns it still didn't stop things. Also it went on too long and created more issues than it solved.
Going abroad or travelling is not daft or silly nor selfish. It's a human right.
Solely relying on the vaccine as a passport or freedom is also naive and a poor strategy in my eyes but at least we're seeing now that there is a change in mentality about it and some of the decisions made and that the vaccine isn't the panacea and that the governments didn't get it right. That said I'll concede they had to be seen to do something, but this was amplified by the toxic behaviours of the press and the government's media teams.
Personally I blame China.
However on the subject of a vaccine IMO, the government played a blinder getting to market so quickly an effective answer to the problem.
Your right to travel is as it has always been subject to approval by a recipient country. It is not a human right but one afforded to you by your citizenship of this country.
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It is a human right. Because the only reason we have borders is because of political ********.
Getting the vaccine early is not necessarily a good thing as we're seeing now. However it gave me "the right" to travel so I was able to see my family. I personally resent that. But we are where we are. I'm afraid this whole affair has made me somewhat belligerent towards "authority" and government policies.
Right so we have no Borders, no laws, no benefits due to where you live. It is the law of the jungle, only the strongest survive and when you are old and cannot work any more we will leave you outside for the cold and the wild animals to take their toll. That is your human right.
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No the fact is we have laws for rights of movement in international law. The politics make things more complicated unnecessarily.
Anyway this is veering off topic.
Hopefully future generations will not suffer from this sort of idiocy in the future.
Anyway this is veering off topic.
Hopefully future generations will not suffer from this sort of idiocy in the future.
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I fully support lockdown pre vaccine. even if you think with hindsite it was not needed the fact is we didn't know so it was the only option. however even with hindsite I support lockdown at the start.
i DO think foreign travel is a luxury and if a country wants to say don't come if not jabbed that is their right. I also support the rights of the plane crew (and passengers) to want at least best efforts to not have planes full of diseased travellers.
as for the government playing a blinder getting vaccines to market..... imo it was the scientists , the early volunteers and the manufacturers who played the blinder. some props given to the government for splashing the cash but we did pay a lot more for our vaccines than the EU. whether you like that or not is your call. I am ok with it.
what was wrong was the FUD members of the EU did against the Oxford vaccine. that slowed down the rollout esp in the EU but also created fear elsewhere which will have cost lives.
either way it's done now I just hope it does not happen in our life time again.
i DO think foreign travel is a luxury and if a country wants to say don't come if not jabbed that is their right. I also support the rights of the plane crew (and passengers) to want at least best efforts to not have planes full of diseased travellers.
as for the government playing a blinder getting vaccines to market..... imo it was the scientists , the early volunteers and the manufacturers who played the blinder. some props given to the government for splashing the cash but we did pay a lot more for our vaccines than the EU. whether you like that or not is your call. I am ok with it.
what was wrong was the FUD members of the EU did against the Oxford vaccine. that slowed down the rollout esp in the EU but also created fear elsewhere which will have cost lives.
either way it's done now I just hope it does not happen in our life time again.
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I’ve got a 100% record of catching covid on aircraft (or around flights) since 2020. Off the the Caribbean in 6 weeks and am hoping that won’t be ruined by a bout of Covid!
Sod holidaying in the UK though I did my west country sentence when JR was young. Mud in the fields, traffic on the roads and turds in the rivers and seas no thank you!
Sod holidaying in the UK though I did my west country sentence when JR was young. Mud in the fields, traffic on the roads and turds in the rivers and seas no thank you!
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Problem is we were in new territory, if things had gone a different way and a deadly variant had emerged the outcome would have been catastrophic and as has been seen you just can't rely on people to do the right thing of their own volition.
Without the measures put in place and furlough my dad would almost certainly be dead by now if he'd have got COVID before the vaccines and there was no realistic way it would have worked just shielding the most vulnerable as per recent comments the actions of my sister would have made that difficult and in general there are far too many multi-generational households for it to work.
What I'm critical over and over again is how slow and seeming little interest there was in actually understanding the disease so as to better approach it without having to resort to lockdowns, sure these things take time, but for instance it is only thanks to a small number of doctors, who'll never get the recognition they deserve, from Italy and the UK who took it on themselves to collaborate on understanding how to treat the disease best that our medical knowledge came on in leaps and bounds reducing the death toll by around 75% while a deadlier variant was still in play and before vaccines. Related to that and an error I also made is of seeing COVID as having a roughly even impact on the population as a whole, while it seems there are some, not just down to age or poor health, who are highly susceptible to it compared to average and once the disease has worked through them things ease off quite a bit - vaccines and Omicron have played their part but IMO that is a significant factor in why things have have come down a long way from the peak and while a very clumsy way to do it measures put in place have succeeded in flattening the curve of that.
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Yes that's a fair comment. I understand your point. I'm probably somewhat less forgiving though and less accepting than you are but what you say isn't unfair.
I thought variants of diseases nearly always get weaker as time goes by not stronger? And particularly for a virus family that is related, over time everyone builds immunity up via vaccine or immune system?
And whilst I acknowledge the edge cases like your dad, I don't understand why the government didn't throw a fraction of the cash at isolating such people and letting the vast majority get on with their lives.
Because we got to the same conclusion in the end, it was a respiratory illness (eg everyone WILL get it), the world has moved on.....we just managed to make the pharma companies richer and self imposed limits to our freedom that will undoubtedly will be abused again.
This "pandemic" stole peoples lives and the price we have not yet fully paid is going to be far heavier than I think anyone imagines.
There isn't necessarily any given path to a disease progression - as a gross generalisation those most susceptible to a disease tend to die off and those most resistant tend to make an increasing number of the population which can make diseases appear to become milder over time. The rest gets very complicated.
I don't think they are edge cases like my dad - one of my colleagues was the primary carer for his 90 year old parents who lived 2 doors down from him - there is no way it would have worked where he wasn't isolating with them - which opens up a massive requirement for support and a huge admin headache. Another colleague lived with their elderly mother though she died of other causes during 2020 and so on. I think those younger and who've left home earlier and/or live more mobile lives vastly underestimate just how many people live in multi-generational households, etc. (EDIT: In fact almost everyone I work with these days under about 30 still live with their parents due to how expensive houses and rent have become).
This is not just a respiratory illness and there was no way to be sure in the early months how it would pan out - if this had been the "big one" and it had every potential to be we would have been truly ****** especially if we'd gone along with some of these notions - these kind of diseases are a step ahead of what we can see especially if like with this pandemic there has been for some reason so much lethargy in understanding the disease and for so long a seeming mindset that if we bury our heads in the sand it will just go away - we've ended up with a far larger impact from trying to avoid a smaller impact upfront.
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Someone qualified will step in, but this in not true.
Because it was an unknown. Plus “getting on with your lives” put everyone at risk at the time.
That’s verging on conspiracy theory
And if something worse comes along, we have no other tools to deal with, so lockdowns etc have a role to play. Saying “never again” is just moronic. Oh and you’re being over dramatic unless you are talking about those who lost their lives and not those who ended up with unused trainers.
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