Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ianh said:
However Stormshadow doesn't actually actively "map" anything and it does something different instead, using a passive system which can't be detected/jammed etc. Basically the missile's route is pre-planned with a series of waypoints which are compared to the IN/GPS location being reported by the missile during flight, so the missile knows where it is and where its going. Then it uses a built-in rad-alt to detect its own height directly above the terrain (combined with GPS height) which it then compares to a terrain height database stored within the Missiles Main Computer (this software is called TERPROM) so now it knows where it is, how high it is and finally how high the terrain is around it and it's done all of this passively without being detected, unlike a Tomahawk with its radar system.
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Interesting, but while reading, I couldn't help hearing this in my head :D

 
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I have just been reading an interesting article which to me very realistically claims western support has peaked and with European and US elections looming it will soon start to reduce if nothing conclusive imminently occurs.

Over 50% of the US think they're spending too much on supporting a region of no strategic importance to America and people in Europe are facing huge energy and food bills due to the situation. Parties fighting forthcoming elections are very aware that support at grass roots leaves is waning because of the economic pressure Russia has created in return for their supporting Ukraine.

The conclusion was if things don't come to an end by the middle of this summer, and it's something Mr. Putin is well aware of, support will fall.

A change of US president to De Santis or Trump, one of whom seems likely to get in given Biden's dire ratings, would probably end support virtually overnight with the inevitable results given the US are supplying 90% of the important stuff to Zelensky.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
I have just been reading an interesting article which to me very realistically claims western support has peaked and with European and US elections looming it will soon start to reduce if nothing conclusive imminently occurs.

Over 50% of the US think they're spending too much on supporting a region of no strategic importance to America and people in Europe are facing huge energy and food bills due to the situation. Parties fighting forthcoming elections are very aware that support at grass roots leaves is waning because of the economic pressure Russia has created in return for their supporting Ukraine.

The conclusion was if things don't come to an end by the middle of this summer, and it's something Mr. Putin is well aware of, support will fall.

A change of US president to De Santis or Trump, one of whom seems likely to get in given Biden's dire ratings, would probably end support virtually overnight with the inevitable results given the US are supplying 90% of the important stuff to Zelensky.
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The algorithm for people like CW is probably barely even 2 lines of code.
 
Nate75 said:
Really, "we" need to keep it on topic over taking swipes at other members.

I'm sure the mods have enough on thier plate and to be frank, could do without this.
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Mentioning CW aside my comment is valid. A lot of older types are very susceptible to being scammed (in the news about banks paying a fortune), romance scams etc. This fake news is another bit issue.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I have just been reading an interesting article which to me very realistically claims western support has peaked and with European and US elections looming it will soon start to reduce if nothing conclusive imminently occurs.

Over 50% of the US think they're spending too much on supporting a region of no strategic importance to America and people in Europe are facing huge energy and food bills due to the situation. Parties fighting forthcoming elections are very aware that support at grass roots leaves is waning because of the economic pressure Russia has created in return for their supporting Ukraine.

The conclusion was if things don't come to an end by the middle of this summer, and it's something Mr. Putin is well aware of, support will fall.

A change of US president to De Santis or Trump, one of whom seems likely to get in given Biden's dire ratings, would probably end support virtually overnight with the inevitable results given the US are supplying 90% of the important stuff to Zelensky.
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Yeah, I agree the traitors inside the US political system are the only thing that gives Putin hope and probably the only reasons this war didn’t finish months ago.

It’s not the country that is of strategic importance to the US, it the principle and also it’s importance to its allies.
 
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RxR said:
China trying to position itself for a share of the rebuild work.
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I think China is getting frustrated with the war actually - Ukraine has been a partner in defence development, energy and agriculture as well as a larger supplier of certain raw materials to China.

I suspect China thought that the conflict would be over fairly quickly one way or the other, possibly even interested in it as a litmus of how the West would react but now it is more of a problem for them than anything - hence their change in stance in voting on recent resolutions, etc. they probably were betting on it being business as usual, potentially even more so their advantage if Russia took the country, well within 2022.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I have just been reading an interesting article which to me very realistically claims western support has peaked and with European and US elections looming it will soon start to reduce if nothing conclusive imminently occurs.

Over 50% of the US think they're spending too much on supporting a region of no strategic importance to America and people in Europe are facing huge energy and food bills due to the situation. Parties fighting forthcoming elections are very aware that support at grass roots leaves is waning because of the economic pressure Russia has created in return for their supporting Ukraine.

The conclusion was if things don't come to an end by the middle of this summer, and it's something Mr. Putin is well aware of, support will fall.

A change of US president to De Santis or Trump, one of whom seems likely to get in given Biden's dire ratings, would probably end support virtually overnight with the inevitable results given the US are supplying 90% of the important stuff to Zelensky.
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Personally I believe Trump to be a huge wildcard in this respect, the Russians might have some influence over him but ultimately he'll do whatever serves the greater glory of Donald Trump in any given moment and may even see bringing the war to an end a feather in his cap - which might manifest as capitulation to Russia or might manifest as highly dangerous escalation and going all in (or wanting to) to end the war.

De Santis will probably toe the party line ultimately, which will be somewhat dictated by the real world demands.
 
Stretch said:
Yeah, I agree the traitors inside the US political system are the only thing that gives Putin hope and probably the only reasons this war didn’t finish months ago.

It’s not the country that is of strategic importance to the US, it the principle and also it’s importance to its allies.
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Since when have principles mattered in modern western politics? Don't be naive, they went out of the window years ago!
 
Chris Wilson said:
Since when have principles mattered in modern western politics? Don't be naive, they went out of the window years ago!
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We know they don’t mean much to you Chris.

I’m fairly sure the US has made defending the international rule of law it’s business for almost a century.
 
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dLockers said:
Any source for this 50% number Chris? Was it at an NRA meeting? Or a tractor pull event?
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It was an article in The Telegraph. Today's edition I believe. I have seen the figure of over 50% of American voters against ongoing involvement cited elsewhere, multiple times, make what you will of statistics, we all know how reality can eventually show their real worth.
 
dLockers said:
Any source for this 50% number Chris? Was it at an NRA meeting? Or a tractor pull event?
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It depends on who you ask, and what you ask.

Associated Press-NORC Centre for Public Affairs Research poll, February 2023: 48% support sending weapons to Ukraine.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29 percent opposed and 22 percent saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60 percent of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons.

Americans are about evenly divided on sending government funds directly to Ukraine, with 37 percent in favor and 38 percent opposed, with 23 percent saying neither. The signs of diminished support for Ukraine come as President Joe Biden is set to travel to Poland next week to mark the first anniversary of the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II.
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Gallup poll, April 2023: 69% support aid to Ukraine.

One year on, the U.S. public perception of Ukraine also remains strong. According to a recent Gallup poll, 69 percent of surveyed Americans believed that the United States should continue providing aid to Ukraine.

In a similar survey conducted by the Chicago Council on Global Relations, nearly three-quarters of Americans believe that the United States should continue to send economic and defense aid to Ukraine. These results suggest that most Americans continue to support Ukraine, and that there is strong backing for this Eastern European state.

While the actions of the U.S. government are welcomed, and although most Americans have voiced strong support for Ukraine, warning signs have begun to emerge.

For example, in September 2022, Gallup conducted a poll inquiring with participants about U.S. aid to Ukraine. At the time, “56 percent of Republications, 70 percent of independents, and 90 percent of Democrats believed that the United States should continue providing aid to Ukraine.” Tallying these figures, 72 percent of Americans believed that the U.S. should continue to support Ukraine during its time of need. Five months later, these figures have dipped.

In February 2023, Gallop found that 50 percent of Republicans, 62 percent of independents, and 89 percent of Democrats believed that the United States should continue providing aid to Ukraine. In total, 67 percent of the Americans surveyed believed that the U.S. should continue to aid Ukraine.
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Chris Wilson said:
Since when have principles mattered in modern western politics? Don't be naive, they went out of the window years ago!
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Be that as it may, support for Ukraine remains strong in Congress and the Senate. So under Biden at least, Zelensky will continue to get what he needs.

That is likely to change if Trump wins in 2024.
 
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