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Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Fact checked? An opinion from Jacob Rees-Mogg isn't fact, its about as far from fact as you can get.
I know Boris has always been keen to take the credit for backing Ukraine but I see little evidence that Europe would have gone done the route of a "deal" with Putin last March if it wasn't for Boris and I certainly don't believe us being part of the EU would have stopped us taking a different line from Europe .
EU membership never stopped us invading Iraq when everyone else was against it.
EDIT: The article is about the EU not Europe as a continent.
What we did with regard to Ukraine has never necessitated being in lockstep with Brussels.
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Someone is getting desperate for a benefit again 
I can't see the quote, but invoking Mogg, really you might as well read the ingredients of a yoghurt for any insights.
I can't see the quote, but invoking Mogg, really you might as well read the ingredients of a yoghurt for any insights.
Brexit helped thwart Putin’s Ukraine invasion, says Jacob Rees-Mogg
Former Cabinet minister suggested Russia would strike 'mucky compromise' if UK was aligned with Brusselswww.telegraph.co.uk
How many times must the UK save mainland Europe from itself..
Bwahaha, more copium from the Telegraph
Edit, apologies sanex1 I see you edited your post to include the word probably. So my post was ultimately unnecessary
This is another common misconception on lend lease. It did of course help immensely but bear in mind that Germany invaded Russia before the USA entered the war in Dec 1941. Russia were only declared eligible for lend lease in Nov 1941 (6 months after Germany invaded). By the time the USA entered the war in Dec 1941, Germany had already burnt itself out trying to take Moscow and once they had failed to do so, a long protracted war with Russia was all but guaranteed (note, Germany had still not fully mobilised until 1942).
The majority of lend lease stuff did not start appearing until mid to late 1942, of course some was delivered earlier but not enough to impact the course of the war in the east during its most critical stage. By the time lend lease material had arrived in significant numbers, Russia had already ground the Germans into a stalemate and were starting to more than hold their own.
I’m no fan of soviet Russia but it seems to be a common theme that the west has always tried to take credit for “saving them” from almost certain defeat against the Nazis .
Sorry to quote myself but I realised how many parallels there are with how things are playing out in Ukraine.
Nobody gives the underdog a chance. Proclaiming they will only last days, weeks or months at best.
Once there is a realisation that maybe they can do this, and it turns into a long protracted war, they start getting more and more aid from parties with a vested interest in the eventual outcome.
Only for clarity - the article concerns member states of the EU - Ukraine technically is part of Eastern Europe - but generally isn't considered European.
Yes that explains the weak sauce support from the EU up front before being shamed by others - particularly the UK.
Lol who gets to decide whether something is European? Sounds like some EU BS - if its in Europe its European, that's not for weak chinned Brussels politicians to decide.
I might have got it a little muddled but doesn't change what I'm trying to say; that article is referring to internal policy regarding the European Union and supporting member states - it does not limit us from providing additional aid to Ukraine, etc. it would have no impact on our foreign policy when it comes to Ukraine.
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This isn't true, there's bacteria in yoghurt that's very beneficial whereas with Mogg, there's zero benefit at all.Someone is getting desperate for a benefit again
I can't see the quote, but invoking Mogg, really you might as well read the ingredients of a yoghurt for any insights.
Looking at the contents of the cat litter, that might be comparable.
In that respect I would agree, if it was down to Germany, France and many of the other EU members Russia would have likely been building up on the borders of Romania, etc. before they woke up, though we were not alone - those who remember what it was like under the USSR like Poland and the Baltics were also moving early.
I agree if by saving you mean leaving the EU and demonstrating how stupid it would be for any EU nation to do the same thing? Thereby uniting most of Europe to work together for a common goal? Or do you mean how the UK leaving meant the EU didn’t have to put up with the relentlessly constant whinging English?
The EU is stronger because of brexit. I just assumed those sunlit uplands the brexit frootloops were promising were for us in the UK, not the EU.
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That article kind of has it backwards in that being part of the EU we had obligations when it came to foreign policy when it came to the security, etc. of EU member states - mostly in terms of people not backing out of commitments, etc. but by extension it could be not "antagonising" Russia if that put a EU member state(s) in jeopardy. But in reality it rarely limited us including in terms of helping Ukraine where we had military training, etc. ongoing long before Brexit.
EDIT: By example it didn't stop, though it has caused some friction, Poland rendering massive amounts of military support to Ukraine.
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