Maybe Putin was betting on being able to manipulate the populations of the West enough they put pressure on their government/militaries towards Russia's advantage. You can see even in this thread it works on some people and there is no shortage of it going on.
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Maybe Putin was betting on being able to manipulate the populations of the West enough they put pressure on their government/militaries towards Russia's advantage. You can see even in this thread it works on some people and there is no shortage of it going on.
Russian presidential fleet up this morning - according to Putin's schedule he seems to be in a series of meetings with Russian regional governments at the moment, but I'm assuming from the activity last night there has been some kind of government meeting and today's activities are the outcome of that.
Wonder if Beijing is watching Russia's bigly missile fail to impress and recalculating their plans or if they're arrogantly thinking their missiles (pretty sure all of their rocket tech is still fundamentally based on Russian tech) are better because reasons?
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The US must be loving getting to field test Patriot against Russian munitions. You couldn't ask for a better opportunity.
I wouldn't use Russian performance as much guide to the Chinese - I don't know how much is cosmetic but most of their Soviet/Russian based hardware has significant modifications and far better maintained and a different mentality when it comes to how they operate it.
Same for Storm Shadow/SCALP - UK and France must be loving this
From what I can gather they did exceptionally well (aside from the French naval launch failures) in the strikes against Syria though to be fair it seems the Tomahawks were soaking up the AD which probably enhanced their chances. It seems like most of the actual damage was done by them rather than the Tomahawks.
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Assuming the reports are right and there has been some damage then I guess the yanks are going to want to know what the cause is.
If its collateral damage, parts of the original missile peppering the area and getting a lucky hit they arent going to be that concerned.
Its going to happen no matter what.
If it was however a somewhat successful actual hit the I suspect like for many of the current observations being made some more significant lower level close defence like Gepard may be back on the horizon.
Much like the layering of ship defence with effectively chain guns as the final defence layer.
Would not be hard in effect to have equivalent integrated into Patriot defence.
When I have watched sims of Patriot defences (by typically ex military) they tend to never be targeted as the assumed target is an airport etc and as such I do semi wonder if the main military assumption is Patriot would not be targeted by a logical enemy.
They tend to assume overwhelming the Patriot defences and as such the Patriot itself would be out of action for a number of hours. They are unclear typically but its not a 5 minute job to reload the missiles.
If its collateral damage, parts of the original missile peppering the area and getting a lucky hit they arent going to be that concerned.
Its going to happen no matter what.
If it was however a somewhat successful actual hit the I suspect like for many of the current observations being made some more significant lower level close defence like Gepard may be back on the horizon.
Much like the layering of ship defence with effectively chain guns as the final defence layer.
Would not be hard in effect to have equivalent integrated into Patriot defence.
When I have watched sims of Patriot defences (by typically ex military) they tend to never be targeted as the assumed target is an airport etc and as such I do semi wonder if the main military assumption is Patriot would not be targeted by a logical enemy.
They tend to assume overwhelming the Patriot defences and as such the Patriot itself would be out of action for a number of hours. They are unclear typically but its not a 5 minute job to reload the missiles.
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For sure, it's a priceless opportunity for manufacturers. I am sure that there will be personal in Ukraine who's only job is to gather information on the effectiveness of these weapons.
I'm always amazed how often air-defences aren't operated as a layered system.
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Totally, I suspect the Ukraine war will be a reawakening in regards some techs being deployed.
Its always been the nature of warfare after all.
I think you have said before, and its right I think that the West has typically moved to wargaming rational actors and forget that people like Putin will sacrifice many and throw equipment that the West would just not comprehend.
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I think that Kyiv likely has layered defenses but the Kinzhal isn't really interceptable by a Gepard/CIWS by the looks of it.
The only thing capable of protecting a Patriot from Kinzhal seems to be the Patriot battery.
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Nah, Roar knows more about Trumps thoughts and actions on these things and how his international relations with other autocratic leaders went, and he says Trump did amazeballs in all those things, so pah what does that nobody Bolton know eh?
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CIWS can't react quickly enough to something like the Kinzhal as is - theoretically if stuff like Phalanx was close to the target and was fed data from fire control systems with sufficient ability it has the potential to destroy them - a relatively niche scenario though so they probably didn't/won't ever bother with implementing it.
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The Gepard would be for point defence of the Patriot itself, should either the missiles it sent fail, or it have run out of missiles to fire.
The point of point defence is that they are basically pointing towards something aiming at them. (So the Gepard type system would face the incoming missile)
At that point speed etc are semi irrelevant since the targeting can be semi imprecise. There is an old saying about no substitute for volume of lead being fired downrange and this is what this would be aiming for, much like the point defence on ships does.
Your literally firing hundreds of rounds into a very small target area into the same path the incoming missile (or plane etc) is taking
Its very different to trying to intercept something on another arc.
The patriots may need a small local point defence phalanx or something. Literally part of the significant units purely for their own self defence.
They would likely by that point still suffer some collateral damage but that would be significantly less than the direct impact (which would likely be total loss)
I mean hell maybe it already exists in theory, the fire control of Patriot may have hooks to unused equipment. It does seem a bit of a weakness that such an advanced system has no local point defence.
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