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kindai said:
Except, the only acceptable solution for Ukraine is one that Russia will never agree to.
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Yeah I agree, that's just what I think they should do. I think the reality is that Ukraine will not regain the territory it's lost, which includes the Eastern parts of their country and Crimea, and all the people currently dying are doing so for nothing meaningful. This is what the US think and have known for a while.
 
Roar87 said:
I think the best solution would be for a cease fire to occur and for all sides to speak to each other to find a solution that is acceptable for all parties. The reality of that will be compromises from both sides, but Russia isn't going to disappear as a country and neither is Ukraine, the EU and NATO. Clearly more work needs to be done by our leaders that stops Ukrainian and Russian soldiers and civilians being killed. Our leaders have failed their citizens on both sides.
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For a ceasefire then Ukraine needs to give Putin territory, he will want to keep what he has, is that acceptable you think?

Now if this was the UK what cities would let them keep? This time I'm not going to use the "Wales" joke or any other city but its a serious question who would you throw under the bus, or tank as the case is now?

Yes I know Wales isnt a city just think of it as Crimea.
 
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*NATO’s Stoltenberg: I Expect Allies Will Agree on New Investment Pledge of 2% of GDP for Defence at Upcoming Vilnius Summit

*Ukraine Deputy DefMin: Russia Has Significantly Strengthened Its Forces in Bakhmut, Brought in Large Number of Reserve Forces
*Ukraine Deputy DefMin: Kyiv Forces Control Southwestern Part of Bakhmut
*Ukraine Deputy DefMin: Fierce Battles Raged Throughout Day in Bakhmut’s Southern Outskirts, Russian Forces Went Back on the Offensive
*Ukraine Deputy DefMin: Ukrainian Forces Advanced 1 KM in Some Places
*Ukraine Deputy DefMin: ‘We’re Buying Time for Certain Planned Actions’
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So Russians are throwing its resources at Bakhmut.
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah I agree, that's just what I think they should do. I think the reality is that Ukraine will not regain the territory it's lost, which includes the Eastern parts of their country and Crimea, and all the people currently dying are doing so for nothing meaningful. This is what the US think and have known for a while.
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They will get it all back, if NATO stay the course, which I believe they will as they really have no choice now, then Russia will be defeated, eventually

Russia can go on for now but they will run out before NATO.
 
bris said:
For a ceasefire then Ukraine needs to give Putin territory, he will want to keep what he has, is that acceptable you think?

Now if this was the UK what cities would let them keep? This time I'm not going to use the "Wales" joke or any other city but its a serious question who would you throw under the bus, or tank as the case is now?

Yes I know Wales isnt a city just think of it as Crimea.
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It doesn't really matter what's "acceptable" in the same way that having your leg bitten off by a Great White Shark isn't "acceptable", it is simply the reality of what has happened.

I don't consider Russia's invasion of Ukraine "acceptable", but that is where we are now.
 
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There is no negotiation Because to Russia Ukraine IS Russian, and the Baltics and Poland etc, etc. This isn't some secret new ideology either, by the way it's been the prevailing Russian mindset for over the last 300 years.

They can either be Brothers (vassel states) like under the USSR, or obviously they are infested with Nazis, the modern term for anyone opposed to the utopia of Russian influence.

I don't quite understand why this is even still brought up over a year later.
 
Roar87 said:
www.theguardian.com

Many predicted Nato expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored | Ted Galen Carpenter

It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I think this article basically sums up my position, will you read it? Probably not.

Vladimir Putin bears primary responsibility for this latest development, but Nato’s arrogant, tone‐deaf policy toward Russia over the past quarter‐century deserves a large share as well
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I share this opinion.
 
Except NATO have never expanded, countries that had already tried Russian imperialism sometimes more than once decided it tasted worse than asking to join the other side primally for protection from what we've witnessed in Ukraine, so maybe they were right.

Again, it's a talking point that's been done to death and proven false time and time again
 
StriderX said:
So we should ignore the requests of countries who wish to be members of an entirely voluntary organisation just to keep an angry little man happy?

No thanks.
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I think Russia has legitimate security concerns with regards to Ukraine joining NATO, it's similar to how the US was willing to go to war to stop the USSR putting missiles in Cuba, right off the coast of Florida.
 
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Roar87 said:
I think this article basically sums up my position, will you read it? Probably not.



I share this opinion.
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NATO expansion is primarily driven not by NATO but Russia. Ukraine didn't join NATO and Russia invaded them. Sweden and Finland then immediately applied to NATO.

The problem isn't NATO.
 
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Rroff said:
You are completely ignoring the actions of people like Putin and Lavrov, etc. sure the West doesn't have the best track record when it comes to these things but Russia has repeatedly trampled all over any kind of good faith.
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He's just parroting what Musk said basically.
 
Roar87 said:
I think Russia has legitimate security concerns with regards to Ukraine joining NATO, it's similar to how the US was willing to go to war to stop the USSR putting missiles in Cuba, right off the coast of Florida.
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So why doesn't Russia have security concerns with Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland having borders with Russia and being part of NATO? Why is it just Ukraine that is the trigger point?
 
Minstadave said:
NATO expansion is primarily driven not by NATO but Russia. Ukraine didn't join NATO and Russia invaded them. Sweden and Finland then immediately applied to NATO.

The problem isn't NATO.
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Yeah i mean sure, no one is arguing about Sweden and Finland joining, even the Russians. Their red line was Ukraine and we called their bluff. Big brain move by Biden.
 
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