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It was also "obvious" that Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine in a matter of days or weeks when this all kicked off.

So "obvious" yet, now we know, so wrong.
Looking back it is kind of funny the way people flamed myself (and I think Rroff?) in the build up, first we were being alarmist by pointing out Russia were obviously planning an invasion, then we were being presumptuous by calling for sanctions against Russia just for placing an invasion force on a neighbours border, then we were delusional for saying Ukraine would be able to hold their own and explaining why. I wonder what happened to @Enkore, he was fun, probably fertilising a field outside Bakhmut now.
 
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Looking back it is kind of funny the way people flamed myself (and I think Rroff?) in the build up, first we were being alarmist by pointing out Russia were obviously planning an invasion, then we were being presumptious by calling for sanctions against Russia just for placing an invasion force on a neighbours border, then we were delusional for saying Ukraine would be able to hold their own and explaining why. I wonder what happened to @Enkore, he was fun, probably fertilising a field outside Bakhmut now.

I mean it seemed obvious, but plenty of western leaders were in denial too.
 
Looking back it is kind of funny the way people flamed myself (and I think Rroff?) in the build up, first we were being alarmist by pointing out Russia were obviously planning an invasion, then we were being presumptuous by calling for sanctions against Russia just for placing an invasion force on a neighbours border, then we were delusional for saying Ukraine would be able to hold their own and explaining why. I wonder what happened to @Enkore, he was fun, probably fertilising a field outside Bakhmut now.

I honestly didn't expect Ukraine to put up the fight they have - I thought it would be much more hit and run stuff territorial and special forces, etc. delaying but not stopping the advances i.e. pop up with some NLAWs then scoot with much of the heavier regular army forces pulled back to the more defendable ground to the west of the country. (Though I didn't believe Russia would push them over like many expected).

As it turned out if it wasn't for some traitorous/cowardly stuff in the south Russia would probably have got a bloody nose and left - the foothold Russia got around Kherson had Ukraine on the backfoot in some key areas and/or having to move forces from other areas to stabilise the situation and allowed Russia to much more effectively deal with Mariupol which they otherwise would have struggled to surround and isolate.

One thing I do find amusing is how as time has past events have proven just about every claim Enkore and Amnesia, etc. made completely wrong.
 
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Yeah i mean sure, no one is arguing about Sweden and Finland joining, even the Russians. Their red line was Ukraine and we called their bluff. Big brain move by Biden.

You accuse myself and many other posters of having Trump Derangement Syndrome but you are just as bad with Biden. Place them side by side its a no contest, at least we have an almost endless list of terrible character traits and actions to place against Trump, your criticism of Biden here is that he stood by an ally and worked to unite the West in its aid of Ukraine. My god what a monster he is!
 
One thing I do find amusing is how as time has past events have proven just about every claim Enkore and Amnesia, etc. made completely wrong.
One of the things that strikes me looking back is that at the time I thought Enkore was just doing his job as a Kremlin troll when he argued things like Russia's tanks would steamroll across the country with their massive numbers and I had to explain to him that Ukraine had more tanks than Russia could commit to the invasion and on average better tanks to boot (long standing thread readers may remember me breaking down and explaining the whole Soviet/post-Soviet tank hierarchy for him lol) plus ATGMs were a thing, and especially when he repeatedly claimed it was impossible for Ukraine to have as many SAMs as I said (despite the fact they had spent the past eight years repairing/upgrading/acquiring them being public knowledge).

But in retrospect I think he actually believed what he was saying and more so his masters probably did too.
 
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So you think the US should be fine if Russia were to place nuclear weapons in Mexico or Cuba? The US does have bases in many NATO counties where they keep nuclear weapons

The problem with that is the the US hasn't placed nuclear weapons in any nation bordering Russia. US weapons are only in these NATO countries. None of those are new members of NATO or near Russia.

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Only because the USSR agreed to dismantle the weapons in return for the US doing the same with weapons in Turkey. Fortunately Kennedy was a good President who wanted to avoid a war with Russia.

You're also completely ignoring the fact that by invading Russia has put more NATO countries on its border...None of which have nuclear weapons.
 
So you think the US should be fine if Russia were to place nuclear weapons in Mexico or Cuba? The US does have bases in many NATO counties where they keep nuclear weapons

Well that's the point they haven't put nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

You seem to forget that Ukraine was a completely independent state, and not part of NATO or EU, yet Russia decided to go on a day tripping Special Operation and turn into into a fascist state in the space of less than a year.

Ukraine have all the rights in the world to protect themselves from aggression.
 
The problem with that is the the US hasn't placed nuclear weapons in any nation bordering Russia. US weapons are only in these NATO countries. None of those are new members of NATO or near Russia.

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I don't think it matters where nuclear weapons are located. Everyone is ****** if they start flying. Coming in from reentry, you're looking at kilometres per second.
 
I mean Ukraine would hardly go down this route if they believed capitulation to be a better outcome. The fact is we’ve seen Russia’s war of terror in Ukraine, at its worst raping and mutilating children, but don’t worry, Roar knows better than every western leader that has decided to side with Ukraine.

It is amazing how naive Roar is being. Putin has shown the world again and again what he does to nations that go against his will. He committed genocide in Chechnya, he destroyed that country after using false flag attacks where his security forces blew up Russian apartment blocks killing his own citizens to justify the war. He also committed war crimes in Syria. He has shown us his true face, the only thing stopping Lithuania and the other Baltic states from a similar fate to Ukraine is NATO. Ukraine is just unlucky that it didn't manage to shake off Russian corruption sooner or it could have been in NATO years ago and safe from Russia.
 
I don't think it matters where nuclear weapons are located. Everyone is ****** if they start flying. Coming in from reentry, you're looking at kilometres per second.

Of course but Roar was asking what would the US do if Russia suddenly placed nukes in Mexico or Cuba. The US hasn't placed any nukes next to Russia, the nations that do have their nukes have had them for decades. Now if the US was placing nukes in countries bordering Russia he'd have a point but they haven't and most likely never will.
 
I saw something on twitter today, it seems like the Russians are petrified of the F-16’s.

Are they more advanced than Russia’s best fighter jets?
 
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