EV owner for 1 DAY and already angry at some people :D

[dave28]

do they not sell long leads then so you can go around plonkers in the way

" 25 feet is the longest EV cable that electric vehicle sellers can provide. However, the National Electric Code only applies in the US. Outside the States, the length of EV cables can go as high as 20 metres "

 

[Hawk Tuah]

One of my first investments. Not quite that long, but comfortably long enough to charge from the next bay.

 

[Trifid]

I do sense a lot of battery only EV owners have some weird sense that they should have priority charging over PHEVs. It’s first come first serve and similarly if the person in the charger ahead of you insists on charging from 5% - 100%, then that is their right.

All these different public charger etiquette rules are nonsense apart from.

• life is too short to let petty crap ruin your day.

The problem is, there isn't enough infrastructure to meet demand at times and some cooperation is required. Unfortunately this is where the experience falls down and it is enough to put people off owning electric cars. Petty crap is a hour long delay to a journey as someone tries to get a couple more miles out of their hybrids battery, when you are down to single digit percentage on your BEV. The answer is obviously for there to be more infrastructure then demand, but someone has to pay for that.

A PHEV can continue the journey without electric but a BEV can't. And hogging a charging bay is a lot worse then picking up a couple of items in a petrol station shop and we all liked to complain about that when you are stuck behind them.

 

[Hotwired]

It's going to take acres of electrified tarmac to replace the capacity of a modest petrol station.

Car park owners have business opportunities ahead but old petrol station sites will be completely inadequate for the really long dwell time in the facility.

Spotted a council owned car park dig up a corner and prepare maybe 20 out of a few hundred bays for electrification in the near future. Bigger bays, bollards to protect the charging posts when they go up and cables buried.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

A lot of these problems were caused by places putting chargers in prime locations. My local Sainsbury's has the EV charger closer to the shop than the disabled bays.

As a result, people park in them when they don't need to charge, even EV drivers.

I learned early on to never rely on 'free' chargers to get home.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

It's going to take acres of electrified tarmac to replace the capacity of a modest petrol station.

Car park owners have business opportunities ahead but old petrol station sites will be completely inadequate for the really long dwell time in the facility.

Spotted a council owned car park dig up a corner and prepare maybe 20 out of a few hundred bays for electrification in the near future. Bigger bays, bollards to protect the charging posts when they go up and cables buried.

Yep, so nice to see councils and other businesses cracking on with it.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

If you work on the basis public charging should be more expensive than home charging (someone has to pay for the equipment and even 14p/kWh is more expensive than OVOs 10p/34p smart tariff) then only a small% of car park bays actually need to be converted.

I’d even say 20% of long stay bays may be enough. They only need to cover people who are away from home and those who can’t charge at home. Those that can’t charge at home (30-40%) probably aren’t going to be charging daily.

 

[sandys]

Petty crap is a hour long delay to a journey as someone tries to get a couple more miles out of their hybrids battery

A PHEV can continue the journey without electric but a BEV can't.

I mean that's a you problem right?

a PHEV at a DC charger is going to fill the battery in ~20mins, perfect for someone popping in the shops etc, provided it doesn't sit there ally day don't see the issue and if your big battery EV has nothing at a slow AC charger, it's not really getting more in an hour than some PHEVs, so you've planned for hours at a stop or you've planned poorly.

One of the reasons I went PHEV was because for journeys we do towing I'd likely need a full charge in most EVs once or twice a trip and most places I'd end up just had slow AC chargers on route where I'd need hours to charge as I'd need to pretty much full fill to continue journey. The reality is I'd rather be in a full EV for my family car and treat my PHEV as such and charge it whenever I get the opportunity.

It looks like a lot of posters have not noticed that the PHEV did not plug in.

Yup that's not really on.

 

[Trifid]

I mean that's a you problem right?

No it's not. It is an adoption of a better technology problem.

 

[sandys]

Well yes, for the 2030 dream, the Gov needs to pull its finger out on the nfrastructure.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

a PHEV at a DC charger is going to fill the battery in ~20mins,

Most PHEVs don’t have DC charging but where this stems from is ‘back in the day’ when ecotricity chargers were free (or very cheap) and there was only 1 or 2 or none at random motorway service stations.

The only cars on the road could use them were Zoe’s, Leaf’s, Tesla Model S and outlander PHEVs.

Leaf/Zoe drivers would often get shafted by an Outlander camping on the only rapid charger for 20 miles for 30+ mins while they got 10-15 miles electric range back.

As soon as they stopped being free and started charging the market rate, the issue pretty much went away, well except when people with an even higher level of ignorance and ICE them.

The same thing then started happening with slow AC chargers and again, as soon as they stopped being free or a silly low price, the issue is immediately resolved.

The recent example is you never used to be able to get on a charger at Tesco, now you can always get on one if you need it and they have not deployed any more chargers.

 

[jpaul]

a PHEV at a DC charger is going to fill the battery in ~20mins, perfect for someone popping in the shops etc, provided it doesn't sit there ally day

his works just need a punitive idling charge, and on faster DC chargers increased unit price if you are not using charger at the rate it can deliver.

 

[Tinders]

Most PHEV's only charge at 3.6kw, so if they are sitting on the charger all day then its taking the pee. Its down to the company to come up with a fair policy, that then is policed to stop people taking the mickey. Last thing the world needs is angry EV drivers, theres enough misery out there as it is.

 

[sandys]

Quite a few have 6/7 kw and 40-50kw DC now as the batteries have got bigger, mine unfortunately is not one of them, I was too tight to requote my car for the new MY with faster charger as it was a 10k+ uplift.

 

[Tinders]

What do you have, i think Merc and Volvo have the fast charge options now?

 

[sandys]

Yup Volvo, but Ford, Mazda, Jag/Land Rover, Lexus and I'm sure there are many more that have faster AC and DC chargers on the PHEVs now as batteries being fitted to some of the models are >18Kw I think Merc and JLR are 30 odd Kw, with a useful 70 miles range, so a fast charge is really useful on these.

And when you have these big beasts you definately would rather run them at a few p a mile than use the ICE.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Don't get me started on parking... the number of times I go to the effort of parking my pickup out the way in a nearly empty car park to find someone has squeezed in beside it... I have to wonder if they aren't doing it to be a dick sometimes.

Used to happen to me years ago when I had my scooby. Would part it at the furthest point away from the shop in a carpark that was never even close to full bar xmas.
Would often come out to find someone parked right by it.
Even if I parked in the middle of two spots the would copy.

I came to the conclusion it was people who couldn't park between the lines without having another car to use to line themselves up by.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

And when you have these big beasts you definately would rather run them at a few p a mile than use the ICE.

Not at current public charging prices though, more than diesel!

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

If I PHEV is using a charging bay and not charging is the bay ICEd, EV'd or combo'd?

 

[sandys]

Not at current public charging prices though, more than diesel!

Indeed, if its going to be super pricey, I'll typically just store charge using my engine whilst cruising along the motorway or hold it at a certain percentage to use in the city, where petrol consumption is shocking PHEV life, gives you choices but obviously I don't want to use the petrol I'm targeting 2000 miles a tank as my next milestone, though it's mobile roadblock season (caravan/track car) so I doubt I'll manage many of those over the summer